WEBVTT 1 00:00:29.790 --> 00:00:30.720 Kemner: Hi, Polly. 2 00:00:47.140 --> 00:00:48.440 Tom Cramer: Hello! 3 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:50.229 Kemner: Hi, Tom. 4 00:00:50.540 --> 00:00:54.950 Tom Cramer: How are you? I already saw you today. Haha! 5 00:00:55.360 --> 00:00:59.219 Kemner: I am in really high need of 10 minutes of your time. 6 00:00:59.890 --> 00:01:03.710 Kemner: Can you do something in addition to this meeting? 7 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:11.019 Tom Cramer: I have… 8 00:01:11.710 --> 00:01:14.679 Kemner: Or later in the day, I'm super open to everything. 9 00:01:17.830 --> 00:01:20.619 Kemner: Sorry for just jumping on the topic, but we are… 10 00:01:20.620 --> 00:01:28.179 Tom Cramer: No, no, I saw your, Slack while I was getting coffee, and I'm back. 11 00:01:30.780 --> 00:01:40.000 Tom Cramer: I have… if either the chair's… if this meeting ends quickly, or the chair's meeting, which immediately succeeds this, ends quickly, then I do have time. 12 00:01:40.270 --> 00:01:47.509 Tom Cramer: Otherwise… I think I don't… I have noon would work for me, California time. 13 00:01:50.160 --> 00:01:58.850 Kemner: I can figure it out. So, yeah, if we… if we end early… I mean, I don't have anything. Maybe some… no one has anything? 14 00:02:01.980 --> 00:02:03.310 Simeon Warner (he/him): Good day. 15 00:02:03.610 --> 00:02:05.999 Simeon Warner (he/him): Whether it be afternoon or morning or whatever. 16 00:02:06.900 --> 00:02:08.560 Kemner: Ice? Hello. 17 00:02:08.970 --> 00:02:10.160 Tom Cramer: Hello, Simeon. 18 00:02:10.320 --> 00:02:12.019 Simeon Warner (he/him): It's on the dividing line for me. 19 00:02:12.140 --> 00:02:13.980 Simeon Warner (he/him): Hello, everyone. 20 00:02:51.910 --> 00:02:53.020 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: Aye! 21 00:02:55.140 --> 00:02:56.720 Tom Cramer: Hello. Oh. 22 00:02:56.960 --> 00:02:58.639 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: Hi, how was the breakfast? 23 00:03:01.330 --> 00:03:01.820 Kemner: The breakfast. 24 00:03:01.820 --> 00:03:03.240 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: Early in the morning. 25 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:05.950 Tom Cramer: Oh, now all I do is copy. 26 00:03:05.950 --> 00:03:06.890 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: Great. 27 00:03:07.200 --> 00:03:08.250 Tom Cramer: second graph. 28 00:03:23.920 --> 00:03:25.080 Tom Cramer: Hi, Caitlin. 29 00:03:25.350 --> 00:03:29.010 Caitlin Stewart: Hey, sorry to join late, I'm having a little trouble with my computer. 30 00:03:32.850 --> 00:03:35.410 Tom Cramer: No problem. 31 00:03:42.650 --> 00:03:45.719 Tom Cramer: Looks like we have all of the different groups represented. 32 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:50.000 Tom Cramer: Between the three councils and the… 33 00:03:50.700 --> 00:03:53.500 Tom Cramer: Some of the officers, or managers. 34 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:55.170 Caitlin Stewart: Excellent. 35 00:04:02.940 --> 00:04:06.300 Tom Cramer: And Kat says she's on her way in Slack. 36 00:04:06.770 --> 00:04:07.450 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: Great. 37 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:15.320 Tom Cramer: But in Slack, do we have any topics? 38 00:04:22.610 --> 00:04:27.469 Caitlin Stewart: I think Pat had an update, I can't quite recall. 39 00:04:28.090 --> 00:04:29.370 Caitlin Stewart: About Equinix? 40 00:04:30.760 --> 00:04:31.750 Kat Berry | UMA/5C: Yes! 41 00:04:31.850 --> 00:04:33.300 Kat Berry | UMA/5C: It's canceled. 42 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:44.740 Kat Berry | UMA/5C: Yes, that should save us a couple thousand, but you know, it's something, and yeah, I'm glad that we were able to make that transition, 43 00:04:44.970 --> 00:05:01.520 Kat Berry | UMA/5C: clearly and, smoothly. So, many thanks to all those, that were involved in that, because, I really didn't know how to hand that off appropriately, and it was just… it was really easy to just send some emails, and people took care of it. Thank you. 44 00:05:07.220 --> 00:05:08.420 Simeon Warner (he/him): And I guess I'll just… 45 00:05:08.450 --> 00:05:28.209 Simeon Warner (he/him): share, mainly addressing CAT, but for everyone else's benefit of hearing it, I did reach out to folks about how we do the WolfCon registrations and things, and it's kind of gone round in an interesting loop. Apparently, I guess Jesse is still involved with the conference. He's never got back to me, but a bunch of folks at EBSCO have looped him in, and 46 00:05:28.210 --> 00:05:33.549 Simeon Warner (he/him): it's kind of… we'll work it out, so if it becomes pressing, let me know. 47 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:34.849 Simeon Warner (he/him): But I want it. 48 00:05:36.280 --> 00:05:38.549 Kemner: Can I help you in any matter, Simeon? 49 00:05:39.130 --> 00:05:40.779 Kemner: Let me… let me know. 50 00:05:40.960 --> 00:05:41.520 Simeon Warner (he/him): Thank you. 51 00:05:41.520 --> 00:05:42.710 Kemner: If you need support. 52 00:05:45.630 --> 00:06:03.900 Kat Berry | UMA/5C: Yeah, I think… I think our deadline is really just, like, June, right? Because I need… I would like to have the books closed to then. FDA Open Library Foundation, Scott Anderson, the treasurer there, gives me a different date, I'll communicate. 53 00:06:05.650 --> 00:06:17.669 Simeon Warner (he/him): So that's… how has that worked in the past? Have you paid OLF for all the registrations, and then got reimbursed for some that weren't used, or do we have to get people to claim them by then? 54 00:06:20.640 --> 00:06:36.780 Kat Berry | UMA/5C: So, how it's worked in the past is Jesse, tells Scott how many registrations need to be reimbursed, and then they tell me, and I initiate a payment. 55 00:06:37.570 --> 00:06:38.560 Simeon Warner (he/him): Okay. 56 00:06:39.470 --> 00:06:43.469 Simeon Warner (he/him): But that presumably happens after the close of the books. 57 00:06:44.890 --> 00:06:54.140 Kat Berry | UMA/5C: Well, the close of the books for the conference, right? Because they would be able to know who's a, you know, affiliated member or not. 58 00:06:54.140 --> 00:06:55.149 Simeon Warner (he/him): Yeah, yep, yep. 59 00:06:58.550 --> 00:07:02.539 Simeon Warner (he/him): Yeah, sorry, actually, sorry, our books are on… Calendar year, are they? 60 00:07:03.330 --> 00:07:06.450 Kat Berry | UMA/5C: For… our books are on fiscal year for folio. 61 00:07:06.450 --> 00:07:07.020 Simeon Warner (he/him): Oh. 62 00:07:07.830 --> 00:07:10.570 Simeon Warner (he/him): Huh. So it will be after our fiscal year. 63 00:07:15.510 --> 00:07:31.679 Kat Berry | UMA/5C: After our fiscal year. So, no, the conference books, they should be able to have closed their books by now. I don't know what the conference is running on, if they're doing a calendar or a fiscal year, but usually they're able to get me the… 64 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:36.949 Kat Berry | UMA/5C: Amount by sometime in the spring, so that we can have it paid off. 65 00:07:36.950 --> 00:07:42.330 Kat Berry | UMA/5C: by the time that we, as folio, finish our fiscal year, which is… ends at the end of June. 66 00:07:42.740 --> 00:07:44.360 Kat Berry | UMA/5C: Is that clear as mud? 67 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:54.250 Simeon Warner (he/him): Well, I think you've just clarified the big mistake in my interpretation. I thought you were talking about the process for the upcoming conference. You're talking about closing out the previous conference. 68 00:07:54.440 --> 00:07:55.330 Kat Berry | UMA/5C: Correct. 69 00:07:55.610 --> 00:08:04.049 Simeon Warner (he/him): I will try and get on both of those. I had previously only been thinking about the future one. Okay, thank you. So this was very useful. 70 00:08:04.050 --> 00:08:04.960 Kat Berry | UMA/5C: Ain't no problem. 71 00:08:07.980 --> 00:08:09.110 Simeon Warner (he/him): Yes. 72 00:08:15.710 --> 00:08:20.599 Caitlin Stewart: Alright, I have one item about communications that I wanted to bring up. 73 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:35.859 Caitlin Stewart: That I think is partially something we should talk about with officers, and partially something among chairs. I was just trying to pull up our last, product council notes, because I feel like I remember pieces of what I need to tell you guys, but not all of it. 74 00:08:36.280 --> 00:08:41.019 Caitlin Stewart: But basically, here is… Here's the deal. 75 00:08:41.059 --> 00:09:00.310 Caitlin Stewart: Some of you may have caught at the last Tri-Council meeting, the update from our release management stakeholders, subgroup within the Product Council, led by Autumn Faulkner. Jennifer Eustace is on that too, I can't remember who else. But they've been working to create materials that would be. 76 00:09:01.940 --> 00:09:09.190 Caitlin Stewart: To accompany a release, to help communicate, what's in it, kind of, bring some sunlight to the process as a whole. 77 00:09:09.710 --> 00:09:18.200 Caitlin Stewart: They have, as part of this, drafted a press release for Sunflower that includes some of the features that are in Sunflower. 78 00:09:18.690 --> 00:09:22.220 Caitlin Stewart: And so, there were a couple of things that came up. 79 00:09:22.770 --> 00:09:24.770 Caitlin Stewart: The first was… 80 00:09:25.380 --> 00:09:36.159 Caitlin Stewart: who would that draft release go to? Who's responsible for folio communications? Is there a dedicated person, or is this something we should be 81 00:09:36.270 --> 00:09:41.210 Caitlin Stewart: working with the CC to do… Additionally. 82 00:09:41.330 --> 00:09:46.049 Caitlin Stewart: Jennifer specifically was wondering about, updates to the website. 83 00:09:46.180 --> 00:09:58.309 Caitlin Stewart: And who's responsible for that. And who she should coordinate with if the release management stakeholders subgroup has recommendations for updates to the website to reflect things like new releases. 84 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:05.330 Caitlin Stewart: And then, just tacking that on there, I think that there are also some questions that are starting to come up again. 85 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:21.000 Caitlin Stewart: About, the need for a newsletter, and whether, they should be coordinating, who they should be coordinating with if they have communications that need to go out to the entire community, in something like a newsletter. 86 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:28.239 Caitlin Stewart: So, it goes back to the top question. Do we have a single person who's responsible for communications for folio? 87 00:10:29.550 --> 00:10:30.690 Caitlin Stewart: No. 88 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:40.310 Tom Cramer: We do not, and I will… so this dovetails with… so Paul and I have identified a outreach group 89 00:10:40.560 --> 00:10:48.790 Tom Cramer: That would complement the newly chartered membership committee, to be able to handle this in a more rigorous fashion than in the past. 90 00:10:49.430 --> 00:11:03.169 Tom Cramer: for… right now, for updates to the website, Rachel Fatlon and her team at EBSCO can make updates, and are happy to do so. It's a little bit of a cumbersome process, and it's, maybe a little, 91 00:11:03.390 --> 00:11:20.829 Tom Cramer: But it could be even better than what we currently have. One of Rachel's frustrations is that when these things have started up in the past, kind of interest dies down and she doesn't necessarily get content or contributions. But they're more than happy to make updates from her team. 92 00:11:21.060 --> 00:11:24.380 Tom Cramer: to the website. She's also, 93 00:11:24.730 --> 00:11:43.110 Tom Cramer: They have offered to send out… there is a email using Constant Contact, I believe, or whatever the CRM that we're using for the foundation, and they can send out nicely formatted emails, and they're happy to do the editing and the distribution, but content needs to come from the community. 94 00:11:43.920 --> 00:12:00.320 Tom Cramer: So, the proposal that we have on the table is to bring Rachel to a community council meeting to surface her perspective on where we could do communications. Kristen, or Caitlin, sorry, if there are, topics from PC or others, we could surface all of those. 95 00:12:00.350 --> 00:12:04.839 Tom Cramer: And I think what Paul and I would like to propose is that we formally, 96 00:12:05.220 --> 00:12:08.030 Tom Cramer: Organize a communications committee. 97 00:12:08.600 --> 00:12:09.180 Caitlin Stewart: Nope. 98 00:12:10.280 --> 00:12:29.610 Caitlin Stewart: I think we would support that, and I… we've got a couple of different efforts, happening in PC right now. Prioritization, the release management stakeholders group, and eventually when the community-driven development gets farther along, I think there will be things to report there, but, increasingly we're wanting to have a path for, 99 00:12:29.790 --> 00:12:34.869 Caitlin Stewart: communicating those things out. So… I will… 100 00:12:35.230 --> 00:12:38.690 Caitlin Stewart: have the release management folks contact 101 00:12:39.740 --> 00:12:45.289 Caitlin Stewart: You? Who should they contact about, the communications committee? 102 00:12:47.400 --> 00:12:48.640 Tom Cramer: Alright, thank me and Paul. 103 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:51.490 Caitlin Stewart: You and Paul. Okay. Great, well, we'll start there. 104 00:12:51.870 --> 00:12:54.529 Caitlin Stewart: And for anything about the, the website. 105 00:12:54.700 --> 00:13:00.450 Caitlin Stewart: Updating the website. They should coordinate with you and Paul first, right, before, reaching out to EBSCO? 106 00:13:06.540 --> 00:13:11.000 Tom Cramer: So in the past… 107 00:13:12.640 --> 00:13:20.109 Tom Cramer: I think that should be fine for interstitial if there's a need, but I think if someone from PC would like to make an update to the website. 108 00:13:21.630 --> 00:13:25.439 Tom Cramer: I guess we should have some control over the process, so yeah, that's probably correct. 109 00:13:25.550 --> 00:13:32.280 Tom Cramer: I… in the past, we haven't been oversubscribed, to my knowledge, to try to get lots of updates, but we wouldn't want that to develop. 110 00:13:32.880 --> 00:13:46.589 Tom Cramer: I would say if there's someone on PC who would like to get content up there, and it seems right from the PC's view, then, it… I'm not sure that the CC co-chairs need to be in the way at this point, but we can do as a whole. 111 00:13:46.910 --> 00:13:50.819 Tom Cramer: Maybe, maybe a CC, a copy, we could copy you on it. 112 00:13:50.820 --> 00:14:00.850 Caitlin Stewart: So, Jennifer Eustace is the person who's really got… she's laser-focused on getting this done. So, I will let her know that that's what she needs to do. 113 00:14:01.130 --> 00:14:06.969 Caitlin Stewart: And, I see in the notes here, I've got Hannah Murphy, Rachel Fadlon. 114 00:14:07.210 --> 00:14:16.649 Caitlin Stewart: Both names. I've coordinated with Rachel before on stuff, and so she knows me, so maybe I can help make that connection. 115 00:14:16.990 --> 00:14:23.800 Caitlin Stewart: And, let her redirect me if she… if that's the wrong person. All right. 116 00:14:23.800 --> 00:14:28.209 Kemner: I reached out to Rachel shortly ago, and she pointed me to Hannah. 117 00:14:28.830 --> 00:14:41.519 Tom Cramer: Oh, okay, so I had heard, though, and maybe I misunderstood, that Hannah perhaps had transitioned, out of EBSCO, but if that's not the case, that's great, because it is Hannah, or it was Hannah, at least, 2 months ago. 118 00:14:42.060 --> 00:14:49.750 Kemner: That can maybe be the same here, because I… the last folio member that joined us, I asked for 119 00:14:49.930 --> 00:14:55.580 Kemner: putting the… The logo on the website, so that's maybe longer than 2 months. 120 00:14:56.430 --> 00:15:00.170 Kemner: Okay, Caitlin, forget everything of clarity. Go to Rachel. 121 00:15:00.170 --> 00:15:05.520 Caitlin Stewart: Thank you for suggesting, Hannah, and the good news is, I see, 122 00:15:05.520 --> 00:15:20.960 Caitlin Stewart: a renewed effort around communication crystallizing here, and I think it'll be clear who we need to coordinate with, and having that communications committee going, will, I'm sure, make a huge difference. And it sounds like we've got some motivated people that might want to participate, so, 123 00:15:21.060 --> 00:15:26.539 Caitlin Stewart: I will take this info back to PC, and you'll be hearing, I'm sure, from Jennifer. 124 00:15:28.450 --> 00:15:29.280 Caitlin Stewart: Thank you. 125 00:15:33.920 --> 00:15:43.729 Tom Cramer: And I guess on a related note, I don't have the link handy, but Community Council, for those of you who were not there, officially approved the charter for a membership committee. 126 00:15:44.050 --> 00:15:47.340 Tom Cramer: This morning, which does have overlap with this group, and in fact. 127 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:54.100 Tom Cramer: Well, at least all the… There's lots of implications, and lots of stakeholders, so this has been a kind of an… 128 00:15:54.250 --> 00:16:00.779 Tom Cramer: Moving from an implicit to an explicitly chartered group, with structural ties to CC moving forward. 129 00:16:01.580 --> 00:16:06.450 Tom Cramer: I will try to find the charter, or its link from today's notes. 130 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:10.319 Tom Cramer: Unless someone else has got it loaded. I closed that tab. 131 00:16:37.040 --> 00:16:37.929 Kemner: You are. 132 00:16:38.520 --> 00:16:39.220 Tom Cramer: Thanks. 133 00:16:39.400 --> 00:16:40.720 Tom Cramer: Kirsten, you beat me. 134 00:16:56.790 --> 00:17:03.069 Kemner: I can repeat my… Requests, so if someone from the other councils would like to join that group. 135 00:17:03.550 --> 00:17:06.210 Kemner: We are happy, and we are open to anybody. 136 00:17:06.410 --> 00:17:15.439 Kemner: And we are super open to people who are not on councils, but a member, or from a member's institution to reflect some 137 00:17:16.369 --> 00:17:17.540 Kemner: ideas. 138 00:17:18.910 --> 00:17:20.280 Kemner: from the outside. 139 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:24.139 Kemner: It's a members subgroup, not a council subgroup. 140 00:17:26.410 --> 00:17:28.729 Kemner: So if someone has someone else in mind. 141 00:17:31.190 --> 00:17:32.630 Kemner: Just let me know. 142 00:17:35.460 --> 00:17:42.529 Kemner: I don't think we want too many more members, so we don't want a very big group, but a few more would be very, very helpful. 143 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:03.220 Tom Cramer: Anything else for this group for today? 144 00:18:11.150 --> 00:18:19.620 Kat Berry | UMA/5C: Not for me. I can think about if I've got someone I can recommend at the five colleges and, for this subgroup, but 145 00:18:20.180 --> 00:18:22.370 Kat Berry | UMA/5C: I gotta, I need to take a couple minutes. 146 00:18:30.520 --> 00:18:33.679 Caitlin Stewart: Do we have any business for just the chairs to cover? 147 00:18:37.380 --> 00:18:51.530 Tom Cramer: I did have one topic around elections, which is… we should… actually, maybe we should do that quickly, because I think there's been some experience with some of the managers on this. When do we start the elections? 148 00:18:52.750 --> 00:19:03.990 Tom Cramer: And is there a recommendation for a best practice or process to follow? Because I think Joe did it last year, and it seemed to work really well, because I didn't think… all I did was see the call and the results. 149 00:19:04.620 --> 00:19:06.850 Tom Cramer: But Joe's no longer on CC. 150 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:12.069 Simeon Warner (he/him): I think philosophically, you know, you work back from having the result. 151 00:19:12.190 --> 00:19:16.919 Simeon Warner (he/him): sometime in the latter part of June, so the new people can be seated in July. 152 00:19:17.220 --> 00:19:25.980 Simeon Warner (he/him): So, actually, asking for candidate statements quite soon would be kind of where it should be. 153 00:19:28.380 --> 00:19:40.859 Kemner: And if I may, as a former community council member, I would really want to see a strong and loud call for the elections, for members, and… 154 00:19:42.370 --> 00:19:49.640 Kemner: That it is essential that At least the very active institutions have a seat in the end. 155 00:19:51.100 --> 00:19:56.969 Kemner: So we might correct the one or the other thing that happened in the last elections. 156 00:20:01.420 --> 00:20:04.169 Kemner: And I'm absolutely on board if… 157 00:20:04.310 --> 00:20:09.200 Kemner: If you need help for addressing people, finding the right email addresses, and so on. 158 00:20:12.270 --> 00:20:12.920 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: Thank you. 159 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:16.999 Kemner: have not been too good that last time, right, Simeon? We… it was a bit… 160 00:20:19.340 --> 00:20:20.020 Simeon Warner (he/him): Yeah. 161 00:20:20.110 --> 00:20:26.110 Kemner: We have room for what you English people say, room for improvement. I really like that. 162 00:20:26.380 --> 00:20:27.590 Simeon Warner (he/him): Opportunity. 163 00:20:27.800 --> 00:20:32.960 Kemner: Opportunities, yes. So, start now, saying this, start now, asking people. 164 00:20:34.740 --> 00:20:37.269 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: I'm charged with a voting tool. 165 00:20:39.510 --> 00:20:44.659 Kemner: That was this SurveyMonkey thing, I… Wasn't it the Survey Monkey? 166 00:20:45.540 --> 00:20:46.470 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: Okay. 167 00:20:46.630 --> 00:20:49.979 Kemner: But I'm not super sure, but it was in the past. 168 00:20:53.970 --> 00:20:57.399 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: But we don't know who was in charge of that, so we have… 169 00:20:57.400 --> 00:20:59.280 Kemner: In the past, it was Harry Kaplanian. 170 00:20:59.520 --> 00:21:00.410 Simeon Warner (he/him): Yeah. 171 00:21:00.410 --> 00:21:07.019 Kemner: Maybe a bit critical, because he saw all the results who voted, so we tried to correct that. 172 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:15.640 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: Have I the right feeling to say it's okay if the co-chairs see the results? 173 00:21:17.610 --> 00:21:19.230 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: Or do we need something? 174 00:21:20.980 --> 00:21:22.670 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: Secure. 175 00:21:22.830 --> 00:21:30.359 Kemner: I think it's even completely okay if people in the Council see the results, but not the single votes. 176 00:21:30.660 --> 00:21:36.050 Kemner: I would suggest to pick a tool where the voting is anonymous, so it's… 177 00:21:36.360 --> 00:21:37.869 Kemner: Yeah, you know what I mean? 178 00:21:40.420 --> 00:21:43.540 Kemner: You shouldn't see what every person picked. 179 00:21:43.730 --> 00:21:45.339 Kemner: No one should see that. 180 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:54.630 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: I'm with you. I hope we are able to fulfill that requirement. 181 00:21:54.830 --> 00:21:59.779 Kemner: If possible, if not, then the chairs are maybe the best trusted people. 182 00:22:02.320 --> 00:22:07.849 Tom Cramer: I think the first trick will be to find a competent and motivated chair of the elections committee. 183 00:22:07.970 --> 00:22:15.199 Tom Cramer: And they can sort through these details, including talking to Harry and Joe, and anyone else who's got expertise. 184 00:22:17.490 --> 00:22:20.109 Simeon Warner (he/him): Guess I have a question related to that. 185 00:22:20.520 --> 00:22:25.890 Simeon Warner (he/him): How do you feel it is with the Community Council not having an EBSCO? 186 00:22:26.330 --> 00:22:27.729 Simeon Warner (he/him): Person at the moment. 187 00:22:28.370 --> 00:22:28.980 Tom Cramer: Totally. 188 00:22:31.750 --> 00:22:37.670 Simeon Warner (he/him): Ben, this call is being recorded as well, by the way, so… Just remember. 189 00:22:41.670 --> 00:22:45.359 Simeon Warner (he/him): It seems odd on the face of it to me, seeing as they're… 190 00:22:45.730 --> 00:22:55.870 Kemner: Great importance. I can only, as I… as I said that out in the open, I think such a big player as EBSCO needs to sit on all councils. 191 00:23:00.230 --> 00:23:05.920 Tom Cramer: I think EBSCO is a critical part of the community, and the community council would be stronger if they were represented. 192 00:23:07.550 --> 00:23:11.510 Kemner: And I can tell you that the member subgroup started with some ideas to 193 00:23:12.220 --> 00:23:17.580 Kemner: To think about the election process as well, to ensure that 194 00:23:19.010 --> 00:23:30.210 Kemner: but at least stake… institutions called stakeholders, whoever they are, which is always difficult, and we… yeah, we never touch that topic again, but Boas already… 195 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:32.950 Kemner: Brooke, something… Out. 196 00:23:33.060 --> 00:23:45.640 Kemner: to ensure that each portion of the community is represented on the Council, like the big stakeholders, the ones who are really doing development, then maybe big university libraries. 197 00:23:45.800 --> 00:23:46.610 Kemner: And… 198 00:23:46.720 --> 00:24:02.900 Kemner: smaller libraries as well, and then you can maybe even want to balance the worldwide attention, so people from Europe, America, and from Asia, wherever we have members, I mean, we need to have… it's a members committee. 199 00:24:04.600 --> 00:24:09.119 Kemner: That was on the… on the table shortly before the Community Council. 200 00:24:09.810 --> 00:24:15.870 Kemner: Changed a lot, and then… It's still on our backlog. There it sits. 201 00:24:19.940 --> 00:24:28.120 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: Yeah, Simeon, good question for that. For me, it feels like… we need… to… 202 00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:34.569 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: show and embarrass which benefits also EBSCO sees in a community. 203 00:24:40.460 --> 00:24:42.109 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: That's not the easy question. 204 00:24:44.820 --> 00:24:48.119 Tom Cramer: I'm just gonna say, I really appreciate Olamide. 205 00:24:51.370 --> 00:24:54.709 Olamide Kolawole: Haha, unfortunately, I don't have… 206 00:24:55.010 --> 00:25:01.399 Olamide Kolawole: Too many details besides the technical stuff, so a lot of this is above my head and news to me, so… 207 00:25:01.910 --> 00:25:15.029 Olamide Kolawole: I, you know, I would say, yes, the EBSCO should have representation on the Community Council, but I believe, you know, based on the rules and criteria, and maybe… 208 00:25:15.280 --> 00:25:23.980 Olamide Kolawole: people who nominated or something, you know, you know, to just… the people who got voted into the community council. 209 00:25:24.380 --> 00:25:32.979 Olamide Kolawole: Didn't include, EBSCO folks. Well, I don't know if an EBSCO person nominated themselves, I'm not sure. 210 00:25:33.500 --> 00:25:38.470 Olamide Kolawole: But again, yeah, a lot of this is, is, news to me. 211 00:25:39.610 --> 00:25:43.010 Simeon Warner (he/him): Well, I think based on our discussion just now, I shall feel happy and… 212 00:25:43.360 --> 00:25:47.119 Simeon Warner (he/him): Trying to twist Christopher's arm as much as I can. 213 00:25:50.100 --> 00:25:56.209 Olamide Kolawole: Yes, I, I, yeah, I, I think, I think there should be an EBSCO person, you know, in there, so… 214 00:26:02.170 --> 00:26:03.450 Tom Cramer: Well, it's like… 215 00:26:03.670 --> 00:26:19.430 Tom Cramer: Okay, so I think, this… thank you, this is helpful grounding, and I think, probably at one of the next two meetings will surface, we'll draft a charge for an elections committee. 216 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:27.829 Tom Cramer: And see if we can find at least one person from CC to, drive that, in addition to maybe people not necessarily on CC. 217 00:26:33.970 --> 00:26:34.910 Tom Cramer: Any… 218 00:26:36.260 --> 00:26:47.649 Tom Cramer: So I think, if I'm following the score correctly, we have finished the officers' topics, officers and chairs topics, and Caitlin asked a great question, is do we have any additional items? 219 00:26:47.940 --> 00:26:49.170 Tom Cramer: for Just Chairs. 220 00:26:50.840 --> 00:27:09.239 Caitlin Stewart: I will add that I'm asking that in part because we haven't, I think the last couple of meetings had, you know, right now I've got two separate meeting invites right next to each other, and I was wondering if maybe we should switch to having a single meeting invite, and just having officers drop off if there's additional 221 00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:12.189 Caitlin Stewart: Chairs-only agenda items. 222 00:27:13.050 --> 00:27:19.060 Caitlin Stewart: Wanted to throw that out there and see if any of that resonated with anyone, or if you'd prefer to keep it the way we're doing it now. 223 00:27:20.970 --> 00:27:24.799 Kemner: So, would you like to discuss this under the chairs? And we are leaving. 224 00:27:25.040 --> 00:27:26.510 Kemner: That's okay. 225 00:27:27.750 --> 00:27:32.359 Caitlin Stewart: Yeah, I think it's okay for officers to drop off. Perhaps you'd like to do something else with your time. 226 00:27:32.360 --> 00:27:34.620 Kemner: I'll see you, bye-bye. 227 00:27:34.620 --> 00:27:35.340 Simeon Warner (he/him): Look outside. 228 00:27:35.340 --> 00:27:35.910 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: Beautiful. 229 00:27:35.910 --> 00:27:38.090 Simeon Warner (he/him): Spring day. See ya. 230 00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:45.309 Caitlin Stewart: Well, we are left here. 231 00:27:45.310 --> 00:27:47.220 Tom Cramer: a single invite makes good sense, Caitlin. 232 00:27:47.530 --> 00:27:53.010 Caitlin Stewart: Okay, I'm gonna delete the, the, 1230 hold, and, 233 00:27:55.810 --> 00:28:00.260 Caitlin Stewart: I don't know, for days if we have a lot of, a lot to discuss. 234 00:28:00.800 --> 00:28:07.800 Caitlin Stewart: for instance, next week, if we… we think the, communication, or the planning around elections, sorry, next month. 235 00:28:08.360 --> 00:28:10.879 Caitlin Stewart: If we think that's gonna be longer, I can extend the meeting time. 236 00:28:11.810 --> 00:28:12.420 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: Great. 237 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:13.900 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: Thank you. 238 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:15.210 Caitlin Stewart: Great. 239 00:28:17.120 --> 00:28:18.500 Tom Cramer: Thank you. Awesome. 240 00:28:24.190 --> 00:28:33.929 Tom Cramer: I guess we… not hearing anything else, maybe we can pop something into Slack in case Jeremy or Jen was gonna drop in and just say we've… we've declared victory. 241 00:28:34.530 --> 00:28:40.399 Olamide Kolawole: Jen… Jen is, on vacation, not sure about Jeremy. 242 00:28:40.810 --> 00:28:47.730 Olamide Kolawole: I do have one… one small topic. We had our TC meeting today. 243 00:28:48.070 --> 00:28:56.230 Olamide Kolawole: Our PC liaison mentioned that the PC was looking into… 244 00:28:56.820 --> 00:29:01.400 Olamide Kolawole: Module… module approval, or functionality, approval? 245 00:29:01.600 --> 00:29:06.699 Olamide Kolawole: We… we had a module come up for TC… 246 00:29:07.040 --> 00:29:16.139 Olamide Kolawole: review, and, there was question whether that… that module had been approved by the, PC… 247 00:29:16.170 --> 00:29:27.869 Olamide Kolawole: or not, and that sparked, more conversation, so I was looking to see if maybe, Caitlin, if… if you had more color to that discussion that… that was had at the PC. 248 00:29:28.850 --> 00:29:33.600 Caitlin Stewart: I'm not sure if I have the specific module. 249 00:29:33.710 --> 00:29:36.290 Caitlin Stewart: But here's what we're trying to do. 250 00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:47.370 Caitlin Stewart: About a year ago, we shifted the model from approval to endorsement, with the goal of, lowering the barrier to get, 251 00:29:47.970 --> 00:29:51.910 Caitlin Stewart: Applications through our process. 252 00:29:52.080 --> 00:29:59.849 Caitlin Stewart: In its history, I'm not aware of the PC ever not approving an application that was brought 253 00:30:00.080 --> 00:30:07.610 Caitlin Stewart: to us for approval. There have been, like, strong… there's been strong feedback, and we want to make sure that we're maintaining that 254 00:30:07.850 --> 00:30:11.950 Caitlin Stewart: Channel for giving feedback, and also giving it at the appropriate time. 255 00:30:12.370 --> 00:30:13.980 Caitlin Stewart: So, 256 00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:30.599 Caitlin Stewart: After having a year of going to the endorsement model, we haven't actually had a lot of people come to the PC to do endorsements, so we're making a new change, and that is that we're trying to move the endorsement, or the evaluation process earlier in development. 257 00:30:31.030 --> 00:30:35.430 Caitlin Stewart: So right now, what we're doing is we're talking about ways that we can accomplish that. 258 00:30:35.810 --> 00:30:45.840 Caitlin Stewart: As of last week's meeting, the… I think the leading candidate is that we are going to start monitoring the next one or two releases. 259 00:30:46.180 --> 00:31:02.960 Caitlin Stewart: For new features as they pop up, and as people on the PC have questions or see potential dependencies or, reasons that we might want to talk to people, at that point, we try to engage the PO and have the conversation about product fit. 260 00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:09.590 Caitlin Stewart: downstream, impacts, all of the things that PC needs to be talking about, but instead of doing it 261 00:31:09.590 --> 00:31:13.770 Caitlin Stewart: After the development is done, we would be doing it before 262 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:17.570 Caitlin Stewart: Ideally, before it's too late to make changes. 263 00:31:18.620 --> 00:31:35.199 Caitlin Stewart: Yeah, that was exactly what I was asking for, not for the specific module. Oh, okay, great. Yeah, so we're trying to move it upstream, and we don't… we haven't figured it quite out yet. There's obviously a lot of features in any given release, and they change a lot. 264 00:31:35.490 --> 00:31:40.870 Caitlin Stewart: But… I think… There are a couple of reasons why the PC needs to be in the habit. 265 00:31:41.060 --> 00:31:52.490 Caitlin Stewart: of monitoring what's coming in upcoming releases, and providing feedback earlier. So I think it's a good thing for us to be doing, like, we're gonna figure it out, but we don't have it 100% figured out yet. 266 00:31:53.940 --> 00:31:55.679 Olamide Kolawole: Understood. Thank you. 267 00:31:55.830 --> 00:31:56.500 Caitlin Stewart: Great. 268 00:31:59.690 --> 00:32:12.830 Tom Cramer: Olamide, Paul and I have been talking about, something that requires TC input, which is there have been, some requests to review the status of Eureka adoption. 269 00:32:13.090 --> 00:32:20.670 Tom Cramer: from the perspective of the Community Council, which is to better understand where adoption is, 270 00:32:20.900 --> 00:32:31.420 Tom Cramer: The number of institutions that have moved over, and potential, implications, barriers, opportunities to, for the rest of the community to cut over. 271 00:32:32.060 --> 00:32:33.230 Tom Cramer: So… I know. 272 00:32:33.660 --> 00:32:48.849 Tom Cramer: there was… Maccabee, I think, is our official liaison to PC to CC. We could ask him, we could ask you and Jen, or Craig and Vince have been the main respondents when these questions have come up before. 273 00:32:50.100 --> 00:32:53.919 Tom Cramer: Can you advise what the… what's the best way to make a request? 274 00:32:54.740 --> 00:33:07.089 Olamide Kolawole: about the current status, so there's the Early Adopters Group, I'm not sure… Tom, are you part of that? Yeah, so there's the Early Adopters Group, and, GBV, Stanford. 275 00:33:07.310 --> 00:33:21.719 Olamide Kolawole: And EBSCO folks, index data, driving, towards that, so I would say that group is… is the… is the best, you know, with… with Craig. From what I know, Stanford is supposed to upgrade next weekend. 276 00:33:22.040 --> 00:33:24.050 Olamide Kolawole: To Eureka. 277 00:33:24.670 --> 00:33:32.710 Olamide Kolawole: There are so… there's some development work to support, multiple versions in the same, 278 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:40.510 Olamide Kolawole: Eureka cluster that the Eureka dev team is working on, and that's supposed to unblock GBV. 279 00:33:40.660 --> 00:33:42.350 Olamide Kolawole: And index data. 280 00:33:42.580 --> 00:33:51.969 Olamide Kolawole: On EBSCO, we have… we have, some percentage of people already on… on Eureka, you know, running, including… 281 00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:58.680 Olamide Kolawole: Library of Congress. I'm not aware of any other deployments, 282 00:33:58.860 --> 00:34:03.879 Olamide Kolawole: Right now, but… but, that's… that's the status, as I know, for that… for that work. 283 00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:16.570 Tom Cramer: Thanks, and I think what we'd like to do is send an invit… it sounds like Craig maybe is the right person as the… as the convener of that early adopters group to come and talk about status. 284 00:34:16.570 --> 00:34:17.190 Olamide Kolawole: Yeah. 285 00:34:17.389 --> 00:34:26.989 Tom Cramer: And so maybe, you know, an appropriate amount of time from 5 to 25 minutes at a CC meeting coming up in the next, cycle. 286 00:34:27.449 --> 00:34:34.039 Olamide Kolawole: There is a page somewhere, but probably having somebody, you know, speak in the meeting. 287 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:35.799 Tom Cramer: Yeah. That'd be… would be good. 288 00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:38.969 Tom Cramer: Okay, great, thank you, that, that's helpful. 289 00:34:50.290 --> 00:34:53.170 Tom Cramer: Do… we have anything else for today? 290 00:34:53.389 --> 00:34:54.800 Olamide Kolawole: Nothing from me. 291 00:34:56.580 --> 00:34:58.210 Caitlin Stewart: Nothing from us. Me. 292 00:35:00.520 --> 00:35:02.479 Tom Cramer: You and Jeremy. 293 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:05.450 Olamide Kolawole: There's someone in the background. 294 00:35:07.650 --> 00:35:09.809 Tom Cramer: All right. Paul, anything more? 295 00:35:10.060 --> 00:35:11.429 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: No, not for me. 296 00:35:11.690 --> 00:35:12.480 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: Perfect. 297 00:35:13.810 --> 00:35:15.299 Tom Cramer: Alright, thanks so much! 298 00:35:15.650 --> 00:35:16.500 Olamide Kolawole: Thank you. 299 00:35:17.650 --> 00:35:19.399 Peter-Paul Kloppenborg: Have a great day. Ciao.