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Huff, Jeremy T: Hey, folks.

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Thomas Trutt: And boom.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Sorry.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I don't know.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Sorry, I'm running a little late.

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Thomas Trutt: That's fun.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Does anyone have the link to the WolfCon submissions?

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Thomas Trutt: It's through, FeedLoop, I can get it for you quick.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Awesome.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Y'all are great.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Cool.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Well, you wanna maybe just spend a little bit getting this filled out, and we can call that a productive meeting?

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Thomas Trutt: Sure.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Boop.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Right.

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Huff, Jeremy T: We're gonna dive right in. I don't mind…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Can… alright, can you do, like, comma separated here, or do they… are they looking for just one, like, point person?

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Thomas Trutt: Your email address, and then you can add co-speakers later.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Okay.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Perfect.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Alright…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Rolled.

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Thomas Trutt: The person who gets yelled at in one system goes down.

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Huff, Jeremy T: And other times also.

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Thomas Trutt: And other times also. That's just, that falls under duties as assigned.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yet.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Session title, and… I'm just gonna type something in, and we can workshop it. Introducing… the minimally viable…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Should I call it a dip, or spell it out?

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Thomas Trutt: I would probably spell it out.

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Martin Scholz: Yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Still like that.

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Thomas Trutt: understanding, so…

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Thomas Trutt: Sure, yeah. My understanding is, too, is, with FeedLoop, is that once you submit it, you're automatically created an account, and it's put under your presenter portal, so you can go in and actually edit it after the fact, too, so…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Okay, I like that.

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Thomas Trutt: Now, this system's a lot more flexible than the other one.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Maybe… maybe we won't… And it occurs to me that minimally viable maybe should be hyphenated.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I don't know.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Session description.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Okay, at the 2025… of call.

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Huff, Jeremy T: the… 3… I'm just gonna write, again, just write something down, y'all can tell me what y'all think.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Governing councils… decided to… Pursue… The implementation of a… minimally… viable.

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Huff, Jeremy T: viable… development… This shit, too.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Posal…

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Huff, Jeremy T: as defined.

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Huff, Jeremy T: And the… What was it called?

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Huff, Jeremy T: Community…

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Thomas Trutt: Development, excuse me…

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Martin Scholz: Driven Development Framework.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Great.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Let's see… chemical preview the product… Council has been working on… Outlining… what?

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Huff, Jeremy T: this… Process… Will… Has been… Well, like I said, B.

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Huff, Jeremy T: The purpose of this… Session.

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Huff, Jeremy T: is to… Introduce… availability… Viable… dip, and… I'll go ahead and do…

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Huff, Jeremy T: There, explore.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Future… Possible…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Rotations.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I don't know. Okay.

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Huff, Jeremy T: What should I change?

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Thomas Trutt: Everything.

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Huff, Jeremy T: This is, again, more of other duties as assigned as a system librarian.

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Thomas Trutt: Are you actually considered a librarian?

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Huff, Jeremy T: I am, which…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Never in a million years did I ever think I would be a librarian, if I'm being honest.

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Thomas Trutt: That's why I'm like… Off topic, I think no one in IT here is considered a librarian.

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Thomas Trutt: we have, like, Jen Cold in that.

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Thomas Trutt: That are… that are librarians that are in data automation and that sort of thing. Yeah. We don't have anyone in library IT that's a librarian, except for Simeon. He's RAUL.

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Thomas Trutt: But yeah, I had friends make fun of me when I first started working at the library. I was like, why are you working at the library? You hate reading. You don't like books, you can't spell, we're shit. I like books.

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Huff, Jeremy T: but I cannot spell.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, I'm like, I like computers, and they have lots of computers, so…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah, what happened at A&M was, yeah, I was a software developer there for, like, a decade, and, they did this awful thing, I don't know if y'all heard about it or not, but they, you know, they consolidated all of their IT staff, and so it was… it used to be the case that, you know, every college kind of had their own…

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Huff, Jeremy T: you know, IT unit that was, like, in the reporting line of that… of that college, and they pulled them all into the central unit, and it was just a big cluster. I mean, it was, like, it was awful. It was very poorly planned, and rushed, and

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Huff, Jeremy T: I mean, just to speak.

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Huff, Jeremy T: candidly, that, you know, the money wasn't there to make it happen, you know, and and around that time, there was… this was about…

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Huff, Jeremy T: At this point, it was about 5 years ago. There was this big push to kind of retain institutional knowledge within the library, you know, because they were hemorrhaging people.

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Huff, Jeremy T: And I was getting a master's degree right around then, and so they…

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Huff, Jeremy T: you know, just kind of threw together a position, and they were like, hey, do you want… do you want to stick around at the library? And I did not like the look of what was going on in IT, and you know, and I, you know, it meant I got to, like, keep my office, and, you know, it just seemed like a pretty sweet deal, and it's worked out great, so…

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Martin Scholz: So it's only 5 years that you work in the library?

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Huff, Jeremy T: Well, I was working for the library the whole time, but as a software.

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Martin Scholz: Okay.

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Martin Scholz: Yeah. Some kind of outsourced… Yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah, I mean, we were… we were embedded, like, my office was in the library, my reporting line went up through the dean of the library, you know, so, you know, I felt very much part… I mean, I felt like I was part of the library, but then when they were gonna pull us out,

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Huff, Jeremy T: guy, I just prefer… I liked working for the library, so I was like, I'll stay with you guys.

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Thomas Trutt: I mean, Cornell does the same thing in cycles, and we're in a downsizing cycle right now, so we've always, like, from the entire time that I've been… well, actually.

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Thomas Trutt: my entire life, so… almost 50 years, Cornell has had a central CIT office. And central CIT… Central IT is in charge of

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Thomas Trutt: the central systems, and they were originally in charge of, like, communications, and at the time, when I first became an employee at Cornell 20-some years ago, they had, shoot, was it, Bear Access, which was a bad name, but…

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Thomas Trutt: It was this homewritten, like, Java application that you had to install that had sidecar for authentication and all this other stuff.

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Thomas Trutt: But…

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Thomas Trutt: they've always had their own central IT office, and then every single department had their own individual departmental IT office.

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Thomas Trutt: And central IT will go through, like, this expansion and contraction. When they contract, the individual departments will start building out their own IT departments, and then they'll look around like, oh, wait, we have duplication of services. Like, all these departments are doing support for…

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Thomas Trutt: departmental PCs, we could do that centrally, and they grab everyone from the external departments and pull them to the central department. And we're kind of in that right now, where they're…

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Thomas Trutt: pulling in… other departments, and… into central IT, and restructuring central IT, but…

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Thomas Trutt: I mean, to be kind of blunt, like.

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Thomas Trutt: Cornell's central IT is always disorganized.

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Thomas Trutt: They're constantly restructuring over and over and over again.

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Thomas Trutt: And… yeah, it gets wonky. And then right now, we're also in the midst of, Another bad name.

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Thomas Trutt: tech geeks should not be allowed to pick out acronyms. It's called CEME.

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Thomas Trutt: C-E-M-I, and it's supposed to be, like, like, oh, you can see me, sort of thing. I'm like, yeah, whatever.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, but they're going through and re-evaluating basically every major service on campus, and they want to replace the central

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Thomas Trutt: Central, organization, hub.

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Thomas Trutt: our software for the entire campus. So they're going to replace the bursar system, PeopleSoft, Workday, all of that, with one massive system that encompasses everything. And then we have all these custom systems that have been built up over the years that were never replaced because, hey, they do exactly what we want. They're looking at replacing those, and at the same time, they're going through and, like.

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Thomas Trutt: Oh, we had… we have Slack and Teams. Well, we have a Microsoft 360 subscription, so everyone now has to use Teams. You have no choice. We're not paying for this.

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Thomas Trutt: So, yeah, it's weird. Like, Cornell, yeah. And then 5 years, they'll blow up again.

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Huff, Jeremy T: At the heart of that, what, at least what I saw at A&M was the mistake and reasoning that empowers people to do that consolidation is this idea that,

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Huff, Jeremy T: IT human resources are fungible. They discount the domain knowledge that goes into people being effective at doing their job in a specific

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Huff, Jeremy T: you know, role. You know, so I was a Java… I was a full-stack developer, right? So, you know, you look at that, and you're just like, oh, well, he writes Java applications. Well, this transportation app over here is written in Java, so why, you know, why… why do we have the

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Huff, Jeremy T: you know, 5 different groups of Java developers. We'll just have all… but, you know, I remember the first time I sat in a library meeting.

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Huff, Jeremy T: And I had a little pad of paper, and I was like, I'm gonna write down everything I don't understand, and I'm gonna go Google it afterwards. And it was like, you know, it was like 10 pages of notes, where I'm just like, I don't know what that is, I don't know what that is, I… you know, and knowing what all of those things were.

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Huff, Jeremy T: was instrumental to me being able to plan and effectively implement software for the library, and you can't just grab up a random Java developer and be like, write this application successfully, you know, understand your user needs, you know.

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Huff, Jeremy T: And they just… they don't think about that aspect of it at all.

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Martin Scholz: Okay.

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Thomas Trutt: complicated.

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Martin Scholz: The thing in developing is not the programming language or framework, but the domain knowledge.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yes, yes!

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah. One of the other things, too, is a lot of university developers, and I… they may be getting that here a little bit,

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Thomas Trutt: is that they're not only a developer, but they're a PO.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah.

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Thomas Trutt: like, they have to collect the requirements from their customer and understand how it's supposed to function when they write the application. I mean, you can have… I mean, that's kind of how Folio works, like.

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Thomas Trutt: the EPM developers are kind of blind to how libraries work. They go off the tickets and that. So you can have that model, it's sometimes more difficult, but you need to have the POs, you need to have that interface model.

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Huff, Jeremy T: It puts so much pressure on the POs to, like.

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Thomas Trutt: Yes.

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Huff, Jeremy T: you know, to… which is fine. Like, if you have the personnel to do that with the expertise to do that, I do believe that you can have an interface between developers and customers that works, but we weren't built that way, and you can bet your bare asses

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Huff, Jeremy T: That, you know, that nobody was talking about hiring a bunch of POs to make this work, you know?

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Thomas Trutt: Exactly.

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Huff, Jeremy T: That wasn't the plan. And so…

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Huff, Jeremy T: I… I don't know. Anyway, you could, you could easily listen to me complain about this for the next 2 hours if y'all… if y'all don't stop me.

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Thomas Trutt: That's fine, it's the same thing, like… Yeah.

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Thomas Trutt: That is one thing that IT here… CIT has gotten… I think they do realize they need that interface layer, so they do have, like, project managers, and when you do ask Central

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Thomas Trutt: The central dev groups for work.

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Thomas Trutt: You have to submit, basically, a detailed proposal

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Thomas Trutt: as if you were a PO. And you're responsible for ensuring that they understand what you're doing… what you need, but… yeah. The everyday person to do that.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I went to go put in a ticket with Central IT when this whole thing was starting to…

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Huff, Jeremy T: just kind of see, like, well, what would it be like for us to get some application development out of this unit? And the entire forum was like, what web page do you need? You know, what content do you need? And I was like, I mean, we're building web apps over here, this is not… I don't need a web page, you know, I need some software development.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, exactly. I mean, that one they do know. If you need a web page built, there's one group you go to. If you need a module built for, like, a Drupal page or a WordPress page is another group you go to.

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Thomas Trutt: That's kind of where, like, the library is… is thankfully kind of insulated, because the applications that we work on are so unique.

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Thomas Trutt: That there is no duplication across campus, that our devs

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Thomas Trutt: no one else is useful, except for our devs on that software. And they're so tied up with that software that they don't have time to do anything else, so…

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Huff, Jeremy T: We were able, over time… I mean, basically what we did, we did a really good job, and I have to… hats off to, you know, my managers and, like, all the folks in the library that were kind of more on the technical side. We… over the course of years.

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Huff, Jeremy T: We're very aggressive in articulating exactly what the technical needs of the library were, so that every time we ever got into any kind of meeting,

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Huff, Jeremy T: You know that, meme with, Homer slowly backing into the bush? Every meeting kind of ended like that, where we're like, well, look, if you guys want it, this is… these are the 40 applications that, you know, we take care of, you know, or…

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Huff, Jeremy T: And every single time, they're like, you guys got this, this is… it's fine.

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Thomas Trutt: You guys deal with it. I would go grab it, but yeah, we actually have a LEGO build of that.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Oh, nice, yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Alright, so we have this, what this process will be, I'm just thinking that,

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Huff, Jeremy T: this future tense may be not appropriate at… by the time we get to WolfCon, like, hopefully it's more like what it is than what it will be. I don't know, what do y'all think?

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Martin Scholz: First of all, I think that we should…

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Martin Scholz: Explain in one or two sentences what the dip actually… Wants to achieve.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah.

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Martin Scholz: It's not clear.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah.

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Martin Scholz: And then maybe it's, it's also clear what this process will be.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Okay.

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Huff, Jeremy T: At the WolfCon, the three governing councils decided to pursue the implementation of minimally.

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Martin Scholz: It's maybe a bit,

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Martin Scholz: I… I'm not sure, did the three councils decide that we want to pursue the minimal viable… minimal viably, dip? Or did we rather… I mean, as three councils decide that we want to pursue the CDDF?

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Martin Scholz: In general.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I think that that…

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Martin Scholz: Road Council, decided to pursue the MV dip.

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Martin Scholz: I, I'm, I'm not moment, but… and maybe it's also… it's not really important for… for the description.

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Martin Scholz: How it… really boss, but… .

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Huff, Jeremy T: I think… I think that,

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Huff, Jeremy T: I think that what we have written here is included in a decision to pursue the CDDF.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I think that…

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Huff, Jeremy T: I'm… I am definitely expressing it more narrowly, though. I could be open to either one. It felt like there would be more explaining to do if I started with the CDDF and then talked about how that was related to the dip. I guess it might be why I did that, but…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Let's see, I don't know.

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Martin Scholz: I don't know, what, if they're from the other councils, there will be also, sessions about

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Martin Scholz: parts of the CDDF, for example, from the technical council about the, this,

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Martin Scholz: Sorry, how much, development costs there are for each module or app.

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Huff, Jeremy T: That's a good question.

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Martin Scholz: So…

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Martin Scholz: if we begin, or if we state that the councils decided to pursue the CDDF, and then the PC decided to look into the amenable viable dip.

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Huff, Jeremy T: A… And important… Component, and let's… okay.

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Huff, Jeremy T: C, D, D, F… moment.

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Huff, Jeremy T: The… C, D, D, F… was the… I should propose over.

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Huff, Jeremy T: A… Process… By, which, and… tender… Development.

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Huff, Jeremy T: could be… Expressed, and…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Process by which intended development could be… Express and Resources…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Think of the words… alright, let's see. What is the minimally viable dip, or what is the dip? The dip is…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Well, we've written all this before.

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Thomas Trutt: business I can ever think of the words.

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Thomas Trutt: Until 5 minutes later.

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Huff, Jeremy T: There we go.

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Huff, Jeremy T: A lightweight, community-driven mechanism for identifying, coordinating, and documenting significant development initiatives within Folio.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Does that sound good?

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Huff, Jeremy T: There's… the dip.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Period.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Is it better?

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Huff, Jeremy T: At the 2025 WolfCon, the three governing councils decided to pursue the implementation of the Community Directed Development Framework, the CDDF. An important component of the CDDF was the Development Initiative Proposal, DIP. The DIP is a lightweight, community-driven mechanism for identifying, coordinating, and documenting significant development initiatives within Folio.

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Huff, Jeremy T: The Product Council has been working on outlining a minimally viable implementation of the dip as a first phase in adoption.

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Huff, Jeremy T: The purpose of this session is to introduce the minimally viable DIP and explore future possible implementations.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Learning objectives.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Understand… the… Dip.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Process… Identify… Possible… areas… I don't really capitalize on this.

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Huff, Jeremy T: areas for improvement. I'm not writing in German. You guys capitalize so much.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Areas for improvement…

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Huff, Jeremy T: That is, yeah, that is true. And these days, most writing does seem to be, just headlines.

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Martin Scholz: Yeah, that's right.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Wait till you see number 7.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Identify possible areas for improvement.

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Martin Scholz: I thought we would write possible… identify possible errors of adoption, or, implementation, or…

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Thomas Trutt: Hit the question mark, there's some suggested ones in there, too.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah, so, yeah, we do want to talk about, pi… pilot, like, piloting the dip.

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Huff, Jeremy T: So, that would be something we could go over here, but, understand the… Mechanics of the dip process.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Does that work?

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Thomas Trutt: The one thing I… and it's kind of related, the one thing I did kind of suggest, I'm not sure if they're going to go with it or not, but the,

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Thomas Trutt: We might. And some of the other things, and the reason why I say we might is…

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Thomas Trutt: the individual JIRAs and looking through them, pulling the information out to help with the POs creating release notes, and that's the reason why I thought, well, wait, this could actually possibly work, because instead of doing that, they could just create dips for each one of those things, link the JIRA tickets to it.

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Thomas Trutt: this tracking structure, but then you would also have something you can use as a reporting structure for the release notes, and also another entity that you could tie things like, because they were talking about the YouTube videos that are being released, and on work, I'm like, you could tie those directly to the dip. Like, they could be links on it of… as things are…

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Thomas Trutt: progressing, and they're doing the demos, you could tie those directly to the DIP as a… kind of a working document for the entire thing, so…

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Huff, Jeremy T: That's a cool idea. I think you've identified a possible area for future improvement.

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Thomas Trutt: That sounds like a developer.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Alright, what are we thinking? Is this… do we… I mean, I don't think this is complex. It's either balanced or accessible, so the difference being the… the level of prerequisite knowledge that you need to engage with a session.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Hybrid short session. I definitely think we want a hybrid one.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Okay, in-person hybrid form… Oh, in-person moderator. So I am… so, okay. We don't need a moderator, yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: it was one of the first projects I worked on, was building the version 4 of Vireo, and it's a pretty cool application, and I heard that there was some talk about them coming into the OLF umbrella, which would be neat. OLF is really…

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Thomas Trutt: That basically, you… let's say, of Mice and Men, your library has 5 copies. You have a digital copy on a server, you check out the digital copy from the server, and the library has to pull the physical copy off the shelf, or they're not allowed to check out the physical copy?

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Huff, Jeremy T: institutional repository, you know. So, the pipeline allows for you to get these things submitted and do, like, the whole, like, you know, you can add advisors to, like, kind of comment. It allows this back and forth on your submission as you're kind of going through the submittal process.

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Thomas Trutt: Drew, it'd be really, really cool. I mean, yeah, I mean, either way, it's a good step forward. There's so much stuff going on that's not funny.

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Huff, Jeremy T: you know, a standardized process allowed us to attach quality metadata to these theses and dissertations as they're going through. But then you have to figure out what quality metadata means.

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Thomas Trutt: Exactly, and that… but you could also, depending, like, if they're thinking of, if it falls under the same Olaf umbrella, there's a very high possibility that it could be tied tighter to Folio, and then it doesn't have to deal with the metadata. The metadata's dealt with directly in Folio.

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Thomas Trutt: That's what I think I was saying.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Do you think that there's anything other than open source development on this list that this pertains to?

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Thomas Trutt: just do other none, as you had checked, because you could say this goes with communication, community development.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yep.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Stream live on TikTok.

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Thomas Trutt: Oh, God, no, please.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Do you or any other presenters require any special accommodations, either for accessibility or room setup? I am not aware of that.

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Thomas Trutt: I require a coffee bar and candy, accessible at all times.

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Martin Scholz: You're in Prague, you require free beer.

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Thomas Trutt: The only bad thing is I don't drink beer.

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Thomas Trutt: Alright. I don't really drink at all.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Martin, what is your email?

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Martin Scholz: Martin, wait, I'll write it in the chat.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Okay. Yeah, and would you mind, Thomas, also… and I'll try to find, Charlotte's…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Let's see… Community Directed Development…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Pretty sure she's gonna want… to participate.

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Huff, Jeremy T: How does she smell it?

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Huff, Jeremy T: You got it.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Company… Rips… Does she list her…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Pronouns? She does not. It does not look like.

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Thomas Trutt: No.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Okay.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Job title… Owner, I think, said… Oh, no. Whoa.

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Huff, Jeremy T: She's got quite the… Title.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Product manager, lead product owner.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Front Manager… Lee.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I'm not gonna fill this stuff in.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Oh, man, we need bios.

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Thomas Trutt: No, you can just go ahead and skip.

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Martin Scholz: Oh, brilliant.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Can we, like, add these later?

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, because once you… when you add a co-speaker, it also adds an account for them, and then she should be able to go in…

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Martin Scholz: It's not mandatory, no?

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Huff, Jeremy T: No, it doesn't look like it.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Okay, yeah, I'm just gonna do the mandatory fields. So we have Charlotte Witt, and… alright, now I'm gonna start adding y'all.

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Thomas Trutt: You only have to do the ones… the required fields, so it's just the email, first name, and last name.

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Thomas Trutt: And I think that's it. Because, again, like.

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Thomas Trutt: once this… once this is, oh, yeah, I guess, company, job title. Once these are added, it creates accounts for all the speakers, and there's a speaker portal that you can go into and edit your information.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah, perfect.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Thomas, do you list pronouns?

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Thomas Trutt: Nope. My pronouns are, I don't and care. Call me whatever the heck you want, I don't care.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Cool. Company, Cornell… What's your job title?

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Thomas Trutt: Folio Application Manager.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I like that.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Okay… I think we got everything for you.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Right.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Martin.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I think it died, yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Alright…

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Martin Scholz: Company, I put it in the chat.

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Martin Scholz: Just copy-paste it.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Cool And your job title?

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Martin Scholz: Folio migration lead.

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Huff, Jeremy T: That sounds like a stressful job, Martin.

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Martin Scholz: At the moment, it is.

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Martin Scholz: I hope in… at least in September, it won't be anymore.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Okay, I wonder if they let us add additional speakers later, because I'm not… I mean, if we look at… oh, where is this?

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Huff, Jeremy T: How do I get back to…

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Huff, Jeremy T: If we look at the folks involved, I can see, Yana wanting to participate.

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Huff, Jeremy T: But a lot of these folks have not been very actively participatory in recent meetings.

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Huff, Jeremy T: So… I'll reach out to Jana and see if she wants to be added. If it doesn't let us add a speaker afterwards, I'll reach out to…

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Huff, Jeremy T: The folks who are planning this, and see if we can get… get her at it.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, you can either ping Jennifer or Alec, they,

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Thomas Trutt: Are kind of the main touchpoints for the system.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Okay.

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Thomas Trutt: But I can also ping them, too. As I said, my understanding is that, yes, once you submit this, you should actually get information to set up an account.

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Thomas Trutt: And you can go in and edit it over and over again.

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Thomas Trutt: Oh no, you use OwnCloud? Ugh.

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Thomas Trutt: Ugh, what's wrong with you?

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Huff, Jeremy T: I have,

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Huff, Jeremy T: Experimenting with all sorts of self-hosting.

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Thomas Trutt: I used Alone Cloud for a while,

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Thomas Trutt: The main issue I had with it, you have to keep up on updates, because if you… if you forget to update the darn thing.

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Thomas Trutt: it's a bear to skip it from one version to another. Like, you can lose data, it can scrambled. I also had issues with plugins. I mean, granted, this was quite a few years ago, but, like, I just, like…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Oh, I already had it, dang.

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Thomas Trutt: So, I actually ended up adding a bunch more services to replace iCloud.

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Thomas Trutt: But I like them a lot better, because they're more specific.

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Thomas Trutt: have you heard of… Paperless?

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Huff, Jeremy T: I have.

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Thomas Trutt: I like paperless, especially if you have access to an AI model, a local AI model, you can send your documents to that, and it will do some model tagging and description for you.

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Thomas Trutt: But yeah, I really do like paperless. I use that for my electronic filing cabinet.

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Thomas Trutt: I find it easier to organize things in there than I did with OpenCloud.

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Thomas Trutt: And I don't use the calendar, I just use Google Calendar. And there was other things I used, like the image thing, which…

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Thomas Trutt: Image is a lot better with that. Their face recognition model is insanely good.

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Thomas Trutt: Oh, yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: That's cool.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah, I, I go through seasons where I'm, like, really into getting all this stuff set up, and then… I mean, like, right now, it's all chugging away great. I have, have you seen Audio Bookshelf?

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Thomas Trutt: Yes.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah, I got that running. I'm using MB. That's working great, for, like, a media server. I also have Navidrome to do, subsonic music server.

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Huff, Jeremy T: And then, Symphonium, on… on all my family's phones to connect up to that server, and, you know, music streaming is working great. I'm… I'm really trying to… a lot of it is, is I have teenagers, and I am, you know, in this modern digital age.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I… I don't know, I'm like Big Brother 100%, like, I'm… I don't give them any digital freedom, like, I'm, you know, like, all up in their… their business. And so, I'm like, no, you can't have Spotify, you can use my music streaming service, you know, you can't.

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Thomas Trutt: Right, right. I'm like…

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Huff, Jeremy T: I'm not signing you up on all these, you know, YouTube and all this stuff. You can, you know, watch videos on our stuff. And I figured that's the easiest way for me to make sure that they're not getting involved in… and you know what? It still doesn't work. They still figure out ways around all of it, but…

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Thomas Trutt: No, no, my 10-year-old niece knows how to get past his frontal controls and get onto YouTube.

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Thomas Trutt: I… I have… let's see, what do I have right now? So, my…

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Thomas Trutt: My Dell web server is running 72 total containers. Frigate's running 3, but that's normal. That's Frigate, that's the connector for my Waze cameras, and that's the, actual management software. My media server is running 23 containers.

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Thomas Trutt: So, primarily what I run for media is Plex, but I do have audio bookshelves. I did try the, I think it's Audacity.

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Thomas Trutt: And a few others. I was playing with Jellyfin, and I have to admit, I really, really, really like Jellyfin, but right now…

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Thomas Trutt: they did something with their database. First of all, they use a SQLite database, which is horrible. Like, they should use ProPress or something else of that nature. But I have…

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Thomas Trutt: 1,500 TV shows series that I have in there, and episodes-wise, I have about 20,000. That's a lot.

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Huff, Jeremy T: a space.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, I have, 2…

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Thomas Trutt: ZFS arrays that are about 70 terabytes apiece.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah.

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Thomas Trutt: But I'm the digital repository for my entire family. They buy something, they give it to me, it gets ripped, and it's put on there, and they stream it from my server, because then they can get it from wherever they want. And I have a lot of British stuff and things of that nature for my brother-in-law. But that's why I was playing with Jellyfin, because I'm like, okay, well, I really like the interface, I can customize it more, but right now.

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Thomas Trutt: A scam on my library takes 2 days.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah. It's ridiculous, because of things.

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Thomas Trutt: But yeah, I have a whole bunch of stuff running on there. I have book more for magazines and e-books.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Have you tried Epi?

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Thomas Trutt: I have. I used to use them a while back. I wasn't massively impressed with them, but I could… I might swing back and try them again.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I… I like… I like it a lot. I… so I tried Jellyfin, and what I didn't like about it was that it doesn't have the application support, so MB has focused a lot on getting approved applications on, like, all the different platforms, you know, so there's, you know, a Samsung MB app, and like, you know, so you can get it on your smart TV, and… and on your phone, and all that stuff. And I like the… so the clients I like a lot for MB.

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Huff, Jeremy T: be.

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Huff, Jeremy T: The backend management is…

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Huff, Jeremy T: I don't have a problem with it. I could imagine it being better, I suppose, but…

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Thomas Trutt: I was gonna say, when was the last time you tried jellyfin, though?

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Huff, Jeremy T: Pretty recently, but I didn't… that was my issue with it. It wasn't the back end, it was the…

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Thomas Trutt: the farm.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I couldn't find the app, the client's form.

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Thomas Trutt: I don't know about the… I don't know about Apple ecosystem, but I do know on Android, because, there is a, Android jellyfin app.

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Thomas Trutt: That I was able to download from Play Store for both my… for my TVs and my phone, because I have Android TV on all my TVs.

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Thomas Trutt: So I was using it that way. And also, oddly enough, Home Assistant saw my Jellyfin server and tried to connect to it right away. It was like, oh, you have a Jellyfin server, let me connect to it and add integrations. I don't know, like, I bought a…

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Thomas Trutt: tech, Plex passed years ago, like, when it was 100 bucks, and it's a lifetime pass, so now that's 400 bucks. They gotcha. Yeah, so I have all their apps, so I don't have to leave their ecosystem, it's just…

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Thomas Trutt: I like the customization.

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Huff, Jeremy T: If you've got something that works, then… Yeah.

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Thomas Trutt: But then on my other one, I have stuff I use for work, so I use, DocCamp.

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Thomas Trutt: To manage all my servers.

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Thomas Trutt: I was using Protainer, but, like, on my,

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Thomas Trutt: With Dell, I have a application called, AppFlowy.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I know App Chloe, yeah.

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Thomas Trutt: I've been running that, I have Bar Assistant, I have, Tander, and I have Mealy for matching recipes. But I also have, PenPot.

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Thomas Trutt: installed, and I use that for actually doing mockups for my personal stuff, as well as for Folio. And it's nice because I don't have to have any software installed, I just go wherever I want, open up a browser, there it is.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Do you, dabble in any self-hosting, or is that too much.

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Martin Scholz: Yeah, no, I really envy you that you have the time and the nerves to do that. I tried it, and I just… I gave up, especially because my family just…

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Martin Scholz: doesn't… Yeah, and they, they will… Sabotage it.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah, I have had stuff unplugged, you know, where they're, like, you know, cleaning and stuff, and they're just like, oh, this doesn't matter. I'm like, what are you doing?

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, all my servers are sitting in the corner of my office, no one's allowed to touch them. In fact, I get yelled at it for it, because my spouse is like, what are you gonna show me how to run this? Like, if you can't… I'm like, you don't understand how difficult it is to manage this server, and how much base knowledge you need. Well, if you… I think if you would sit down and show me, I'm like, okay.

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Thomas Trutt: So, I need to explain to you how to set up a ZFS array, how to manage it, how to remove and add and change drives, the entire concept of ZFS… Yeah, yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: My next goal is to, invest in some hardware and set up a LLM locally and get that all going, get, like, a local, chatbot. So we'll see how that goes.

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Thomas Trutt: Check with some of the Home Assistant community. Are you running… actually, wait, are you running Home Assistant at all, or no?

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Huff, Jeremy T: I am not,

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah, I'm not. I… I wouldn't mind getting into that, but I find that as soon as you go down the home automation route, it gets really expensive, because you have to buy all the peripherals that interface with it, and I've been trying to… basically, I've been trying to do this in a way where my wife will let me continue doing it, so I'm…

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Thomas Trutt: It's true.

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Huff, Jeremy T: As cheap as possible.

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Thomas Trutt: I mean, if you already have things like smart bulbs and that, Home Assistant will tie to a lot of the stuff you already.

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Huff, Jeremy T: But that's what I'm saying, like, I have no… You have none? Oh, okay, yeah.

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Thomas Trutt: every… every… I have… pretty much every light bulb that's in a lamp is a smart bulb. I have smart light switches and outlets and all that stuff over the place.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I mean, I would love… I would love to… to do that, but, you know…

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Alas.

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Thomas Trutt: It's expensive. When we move, I've been speccing out, putting in a new security system and network through UniFi's system, system, and I'm like, this is pretty. But it's, like, six grand. So…

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Thomas Trutt: But yeah, I mean…

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Thomas Trutt: because I have almost as an N-A-N, that does a bunch of different things for stuff around here.

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Thomas Trutt: What was… but there was something else I was asking before that, too, because of it.

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Thomas Trutt: Oh, YouTube-wise, there's also… have you heard of, U-track, and Tube Archivist.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Are those, like, the ones that back up YouTube and, like, give you a proxy? Yeah, I have looked into that.

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Thomas Trutt: Well, they will… they'll actually… both… there's ones that will give you a proxy, but ones that will actually back up YouTube locally. Yeah. So you can hold onto YouTube videos. Those are interesting, especially when people pull content and their tutorials for things that you need. But yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I do, I do a lot of,

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Huff, Jeremy T: I do… I do pull stuff off of YouTube. I have a few programs that will do that, but it's very piecemeal. It's just kind of like, I have to decide to, like, run it. It's not automated in any way, so…

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Thomas Trutt: Oh yeah, mine's the same way, is I have to actually tell it that I want this video over here, and most of it is, like, people will… you're gonna laugh at this…

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Thomas Trutt: People will add to YouTube things like the soundtrack to Disney parades and fireworks shows, and I'll grab things like that, because they'll have a tendency sometimes to get pulled back down.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Alright, folks, well, we made it all the way to the hour, look at us.

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Martin Scholz: Did you submit the CFP?

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Huff, Jeremy T: I did, yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Oh.

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Thomas Trutt: I know.

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Huff, Jeremy T: wait, the CFP?

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Martin Scholz: I mean the submission for the session.

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Thomas Trutt: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yo.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah. And then, at WolfCon, we will get Martin into, setting up a home lab. Yes.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Who knows what miracles we'll have come up with by then.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah.

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Thomas Trutt: I know what it was.

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Thomas Trutt: Look at the Home Assistant community and the LLMs they're using. There's a lot of people there that are buying cheap Mac Minis for, like, $600.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah. And using those for, local language models, because they have the unified memory. You can't run massive, massive, massive models, but you can run usually, like, 20 billion token models fairly easily. Yeah.

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Thomas Trutt: Box?

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Huff, Jeremy T: GPT3, or 3.5, something like that, yeah.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay. Exactly.

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Thomas Trutt: Alright, we'll take.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Take it easy, folks.

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Thomas Trutt: Yep, take care.

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Martin Scholz: Okay, fine.

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Thomas Trutt: Bye.