WEBVTT 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:10.000 Hey, folks. How are you? Sorry. 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:23.000 Alright. 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:24.000 Ah, that's fun. 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:27.000 I'm a little late. 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:33.000 Uh, does anyone have the link to the WolfCon submissions? 00:03:33.000 --> 00:04:03.000 It's through, uh, FeedLoop, I can get it for you quick. 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:21.000 Awesome. Y'all are great. Cool. Well, you want to maybe just spend a little bit getting this filled out and we can call that a productive meeting. 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:24.000 Sure. 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:28.000 Cool. All right. 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:37.000 We could dive right in. I don't mind… Can all right. Can you do like comma separated here, or do they… are they looking for just one, like, point person? 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:43.000 Um, your email address, and then you can add co-speakers later. 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:51.000 Okay. Perfect. 00:04:51.000 --> 00:05:04.000 Alright. 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:10.000 Role. 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:14.000 The person who gets yelled at in one system goes down. 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:15.000 and other times also. 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:30.000 And other times also. That's just, uh, that falls under duties as assigned. 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:31.000 Sounds good. 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:34.000 Yeah. Uh, session title, and I'm just gonna type something in, and we can workshop it. Introducing. 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:41.000 The minimally viable… Should I call it a dip or spell it out? 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:44.000 I would probably spell it out. 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:51.000 Yeah. 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:53.000 My understanding is that… 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:54.000 Something like that. 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:58.000 Sure, yeah. My understanding is, too, is, uh, with FeedLoop, 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:04.000 is that once you submit it, you're automatically created an account, and it's put under your presenter portal. 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:11.000 So you can go in and actually edit it after the fact, too, so… 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:12.000 You know, the system's a lot more flexible than the other one. 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:13.000 Okay, I like that. 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:27.000 Maybe we won't… And it occurs to me that minimally viable maybe should be hyphenated. 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:33.000 I don't know. Session description. 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:43.000 Um, okay. Um… at the 2025. 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:59.000 Uh… of car… the… 3. I'm just going to write again. Just write something down. Y'all can tell me what what y'all think. Governing councils. 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:29.000 Decided to… Uh, pursue… The implementation of a… Bit of only… viable… Development… initiative… proposal… 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:42.000 As defined. In the… Um… what was it called? 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:43.000 development, um, CGP. 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:45.000 Community… 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:52.000 Community-driven development framework. 00:07:52.000 --> 00:08:00.000 Right. 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:09.000 Let's see, it can be the product. Council has been working on. 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:19.000 Um, outlining what? This process will. 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:29.000 Um, uh, has been… I don't know. Well, like I said, um… B. 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:35.000 The purpose of this… 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:49.000 session is to… Introduce… 00:08:49.000 --> 00:09:00.000 Viable. Dip, and… I'll go ahead and do… 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:11.000 there to explore. Future… Possible… 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:18.000 Um… I don't know. Okay. 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:19.000 Everything. 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:24.000 What should I change? 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:31.000 This is, uh, again, more of other duties as a sign as a system librarian. 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:35.000 Are you actually considered a librarian? 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:36.000 Cool. 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:37.000 Okay. 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:42.000 I am, which… Never in a million years did I ever think I would be a librarian, if I'm being honest. 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.000 Sorry, I'm late. 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:46.000 Off-topic, um… 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:50.000 I think no one in IT here is considered a librarian. 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:54.000 we have, um, like, Jen Cold in that. 00:09:54.000 --> 00:10:01.000 Um, that are… that are librarians that are in data automation and that sort of thing. 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:05.000 But we don't have anyone in… 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:08.000 library IT, that's a librarian, except for Simeon, he's RAU out. 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:19.000 Um, but yeah, I had friends make fun of me when I first started working at the library. I was like, where are you working at the library? You hate reading. You don't like books. You can't spell, we're shit. 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:21.000 I'm like… 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:22.000 Yeah, I'm like, I like computers that may have lots of computers, so… 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:28.000 I love books, but I cannot spell. 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:44.000 Yeah, it… what happened at A&M was, um, yeah, I was a software developer there for, like, a decade, and, um, they did this awful thing. I don't know if y'all heard about it or not, but they, you know, uh, they consolidated all of their IT staff. 00:10:44.000 --> 00:11:00.000 And so, it was… it used to be the case that, you know, every college kind of had their own, uh, you know, IT unit that was, like, in the reporting line of that college. And they pulled them all into the central unit, and it was just a big. 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:20.000 cluster. I mean, it was, like, it was awful. It was very poorly planned and rushed, and um… I mean, just to speak… Candidly, that, you know, the money wasn't there to make it happen, you know, and um… and around that time, there was… this was about… 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:31.000 At this point is about 5 years ago. There was this big push to kind of retain institutional knowledge within the library, you know, because they weren't hemorrhaging people. 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:56.000 And I was getting a master's degree right around then, and so they, you know, just kind of threw together a position and they were like, Hey, do you want, do you want to stick around at the library? And I did not like the look of what was going on in it. And, you know, and… I, you know, it meant I got to, like, keep my office and, you know, it just seemed like a pretty sweet deal, and it's worked out great, so… 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:57.000 Yeah, 00:11:57.000 --> 00:12:01.000 So it's only 5 years that you work in the library? 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:05.000 Well, I was working for the library the whole time, but as a software developer. 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:13.000 Okay, it's some kind of outsourced. 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:14.000 Or… 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:22.000 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we were. We were embedded like my office was in the library. My reporting line went up through the dean of the library, you know. 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:36.000 Uh, so, you know, I felt very much part, I mean, I felt like I was part of the library, but then when they were gonna pull us out, um… Yeah, I just prefer… I like working for the library, so I was like, I'll stay with you guys. 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:37.000 I mean, Cornell does the same thing. 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:39.000 yeah. 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:43.000 in cycles, and we're in a downsizing cycle right now, so… 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:44.000 Yeah. 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:50.000 We've always, like, from the entire time that I've been… well, actually, 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:53.000 my entire life, so… 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:57.000 almost 50 years, Cornell has had a central CIT office. 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:07.000 and Central CI… the central IT is in charge of the central systems, and they were originally in charge of, like, communications and… 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:17.000 at the time when I first became an employee at Cornell 20-some years ago, um, they had, uh, shoot, what was it, uh, Bear Access, which was… 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:20.000 Bad name. But… 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:28.000 It was this home-written, like, Java application that you had to install that had sidecarve for authentication and all this other stuff. Um… 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:36.000 But… they've always had their own central IT office, and then every single department had their own individual departmental IT office. 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:40.000 And central IT will go through, like, this expansion and contraction. 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:47.000 When they contract the individual departments will start building out their own IT departments, and then they'll look around like, oh, wait! 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:49.000 We have duplication of services. Like, all these departments are doing support for 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:52.000 Yeah. 00:13:52.000 --> 00:14:02.000 departmental PCs, we could do that centrally, and they grab everyone from the external departments and pull them to the central department. And we're kind of in that right now, where they're… 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:04.000 pulling in… 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:11.000 other departments and into central IT, and restructuring central IT. 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:15.000 But if… I mean, to be kind of blunt, like… 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:19.000 Cornell Central IT is always disorganized. 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:24.000 They're constantly restructuring over and over and over again. 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:26.000 And… yeah, it gets wonky. And then right now, we're also in the midst of, um, 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:31.000 Yeah. 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:33.000 another bad name. 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:36.000 techie should not be allowed to pick out acronyms. 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:39.000 Um, it's called SeeMe. 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:46.000 C-E-M-I, it's supposed to be, like, like, oh, you can see me, sort of thing, and like, yeah, whatever. 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:47.000 Come on. 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:57.000 Um, yeah. But they're going through and re-evaluating basically every major service on campus, and they want to replace the central 00:14:57.000 --> 00:15:01.000 Central, uh, organization, uh, hub. 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:07.000 our software for the entire campus, so they're gonna replace the bursar system, PeopleSoft, Workday, all of that. 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:20.000 With one massive system that encompasses everything. And then we have all these custom systems that have been built up over the years that were never replaced because, hey, they do exactly what we want. They're looking at replacing those. And at the same time, they're going through and, like, 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:30.000 Oh, we had… we have Slack and Teams. Well, we have a Microsoft 360 subscription, so everyone now has to use Teams. You have no choice. We're not paying for this. 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:31.000 So, yeah, it's weird. Like, Cornell… 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:33.000 Yeah. 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:34.000 And then 5 years, they'll blow up again. 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:56.000 I think. At the heart of that, at least what I saw at A&M was the mistake and reasoning that empowers people to do that consolidation is this idea that, um. 00:15:56.000 --> 00:16:23.000 I it human resources are fungible. They discount the the domain knowledge that goes into people being effective at doing their job in a specific. 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:24.000 Yeah. 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:26.000 you know, role. You know, so I was a Java… I was a full-stack developer, right? Um, so, you know, you look at that, you're just like, oh, well, he writes Java applications. Well, this transportation app over here is written in Java, so why, you know, why do we have? 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:56.000 You know, 5 different groups of Java developers. We'll just have all… but, you know, I remember the first time I sat in a library meeting, and I had a little pad of paper, and I was like, I'm gonna write down everything I don't understand, and I'm gonna go Google it afterwards. And it was like, you know, it was like 10 pages of notes where I'm just like, I don't know what that is, I don't know what that is, I… You know, and knowing what all of those things were was instrumental to me being able to plan and effectively implement software for the library. And you can't just grab up a random Java developer and be like, write this application successfully, you know, understand your user needs, you know. 00:17:06.000 --> 00:17:07.000 And they just… they don't think about that aspect of it at all. 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:10.000 Yeah. 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:11.000 Right. Well, because… 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:16.000 The complicated thing, and developing is not the programming language or framework, but the domain knowledge. 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:17.000 Yes. Because the other… 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:19.000 Yes, yes. Yeah. 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:23.000 One of the other things is, too, is a lot of university developers, and I… 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:28.000 They may be getting that here a little bit, um… 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:32.000 is that they're not only a developer, but they're a PO. 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:33.000 Yeah. 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:40.000 Like, they have to collect the requirements from their customer and understand how it's supposed to function when they write the application. 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:44.000 I mean, you can have… I mean, that's kind of how folio works, like, 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:49.000 The EPM developers are kind of blind to howibraries work. 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:52.000 they go off the tickets and that. 00:17:52.000 --> 00:18:01.000 Um, so you can have that model, it's sometimes more difficult, but you need to have the POs, you need to have that interface model. 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:02.000 Yes. 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:27.000 It puts… it puts so much pressure on the POs to, like… you know, to… which… which is fine, like, if you have the personnel to do that with the expertise to do that, I do believe that you can have an interface between developers and customers that works, but we weren't built that way, and you can bet your bare asses. 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:28.000 Exactly. 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:39.000 That nobody was talking about hiring a bunch of POs to make this work, you know, like, that wasn't the plan. And so… I don't know. Anyway, you could, um… you could easily listen to me complain about this for the next 2 hours, if y'all don't stop it. 00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:42.000 That's fine, it's the same thing, like… 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:51.000 Yeah. Um, that is one thing that IT here… CIT has gotten is they… I think they do realize they need that interface layer. 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:56.000 So they do have, like, project managers, and when you do ask Central 00:18:56.000 --> 00:19:00.000 the central dev groups for work. 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:05.000 Um, you have to submit, basically, a detailed proposal 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:07.000 As if you were a PO. Uh, and you responsible for ensuring that they understand what you're doing… what you need, but… 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:11.000 Okay. 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:14.000 Yeah. Had the everyday prison do that one. 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:41.000 I went to go… I went to go put in a ticket with Central IT when this whole thing was starting to… Just kind of see, like, well, what would it be like for us to get some application development out of this unit? And the entire forum was like, what web page do you need? You know, what content do you need? And I was like, I mean, we're building web apps over here. This is not… I don't need a web page, you know, I need some software development. 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:53.000 Yeah, exactly. I mean, that one, they do know. If you need a web page built, there's one group you go to. If you need a module built for, like, a Drupal page, or WordPress page is another group you go to. 00:19:53.000 --> 00:20:02.000 Um, that's kind of where, like, the library is… is thankfully kind of insulated, because the applications that we work on are so unique. 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:05.000 that there is no duplication across campus, that our devs 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:08.000 Yeah. 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:13.000 no one else is useful, except for our devs on that software. And they tied up with that software that they don't have time to do anything else, so… 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:31.000 Yeah. we… we were able, over time, I mean, basically what we did, we did a really good job, and I have to… hats off to, you know, my managers and, like, all the folks in the library that were kind of more on the technical side. 00:20:31.000 --> 00:21:01.000 We, over the course of years, were very aggressive in articulating exactly what the technical needs of the library were so that every time we ever got into any kind of meeting, you know that a meme was… Uh, Homer slowly backing into the bush. Every meeting kind of ended like that, where we're like, well, look, if you guys want it, this is… these are the 40 applications that, you know, we take care of, you know, or, um, and… and every single time they're like. 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:04.000 Yeah. You guys deal with it. 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:06.000 You guys got this, this is… it's fine. 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:23.000 Um, I would go grab it, but yeah. Um, we actually have a LEGO build of that. 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:24.000 Yeah. 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:34.000 Oh, nice, yeah. Yeah. Alright, so we have this, uh… what this process will be, I'm just thinking that, um… this future tense, maybe not appropriate at… by the time we get to WolfCon, like, hopefully it's more like what it is than what it will be. I don't know, what do y'all think? 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:38.000 First of all, I think that… We should. 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:45.000 Explain in one or two sentences what what the dip actually. 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:46.000 Yeah. 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:47.000 Uh, wants to achieve. It's not clear. 00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:50.000 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:56.000 And then maybe it's also clear what this process will be. I mean. 00:21:56.000 --> 00:22:05.000 Yeah. Okay. And the WolfCons, three governing councils decide to pursue the implementation of minimally viable. 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:26.000 It's maybe a bit, um… I I'm not sure. Did the 3 councils decide that we want to pursue the minimal viable dip? Or did we rather, I mean, as 3 councils decide that we want to. 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:30.000 pursue the CDDF. In general. 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:32.000 I think that that is… 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:40.000 And the Product Council decided to pursue the MV dip. 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:41.000 Yeah. 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:48.000 I'm not sure at the moment, but… and maybe it's also… it's not really important for the description. 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:53.000 Um, how it really was, but, um… 00:22:53.000 --> 00:23:06.000 I think… I think that. I think that what we have written here is included in a decision to pursue the CDDF. 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:26.000 Um, I think that I am definitely expressing it more narrowly, though. I could be open to either one. It felt like there would be more explaining to do if I started with the CDDF and then talked about how that was related to the dip. I guess it might be why I did that, but… Let's see, uh, the… 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:35.000 I don't know, I don't know what, um, if they're from the other councils. There will be also sessions about. 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:52.000 Parts of the CDDF, for example, from the technical council about the, um… This, um… Sorry, how much development costs there are for each modular app. 00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:53.000 That's a good question. 00:23:53.000 --> 00:24:03.000 I'm. So if if we begin or if we state that the councils decided to pursue the CDDF, and then the PC decided. 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:04.000 Yeah. 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:16.000 to look into the amenable viable dip. Then it's clear, okay, well, this is within a larger context. 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:27.000 Yeah. a an important component. And let's okay. 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:33.000 CDDF. 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:40.000 the… Uh, CDDF. 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:58.000 was the… 00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:06.000 A. Process by which in. 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:18.000 tended development… could be… expressed and. 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:25.000 Um… 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:38.000 Let's see… I do want to talk process by which intended development could be… Express and resources. 00:25:38.000 --> 00:26:02.000 Yeah, that's working. 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:08.000 I hate it when I can't… 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:23.000 I think of the words. Alright, let's see. What is the minimally viable debt, or what is the dip? The dip is… Well, we've written all this before. 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:27.000 Doesn't say I can ever think of the words. 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:28.000 Until 5 minutes later. 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:36.000 No. 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:47.000 There we go. A lightweight community-driven mechanism for identifying, coordinating, and documenting significant development initiatives within folio. 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:48.000 Yep. 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:55.000 Does that sound good? 00:26:55.000 --> 00:27:09.000 hers… The depth period. 00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:39.000 Um… 00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:54.000 All right. 00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:58.000 How do we feel about this? Is it better? 00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:24.000 Feels better than it was a second ago. I'll just read it out loud real fast. At the 2025 Wolfcon, the three governing councils decided to pursue the implementation of the community directed development framework, the CDDF, an important component of the CDDF was the development initiative proposal dip. The dip is a lightweight community driven mechanism for identifying, coordinating, and documenting significant development initiatives within folio. 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:31.000 The Product Council has been working on outlining a minimally viable implementation of the dip as a first phase in adoption. 00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:41.000 The purpose of this session is to introduce the minimally viable dip and explore future possible implementations. 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:44.000 Sounds good. 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:51.000 Learning objectives. Understand the. 00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:57.000 dip process. 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:10.000 Identify… Uh, possible… Areas… I don't need to capitalize on this. 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:22.000 Areas for improvement. I'm not writing in German. You guys capitalize so much. 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:25.000 Uh… areas for improvement… 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:29.000 Yeah, well, if you're only writing headlines in English, it's it's the opposite. 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:37.000 That is. Yeah, that is true. And these days most writing does seem to be just headlines. 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:39.000 Yeah. 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:42.000 Yeah, that's right. 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:49.000 And we have a 90% clickbait. 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:57.000 Wait till you see number seven. 00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:05.000 Um, okay. Actually, I forget number 7, I'm trying to come up with number 3. 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:12.000 Identify possible areas for improvement. What do I also want to do? We're going to answer questions. I… 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:30.000 I thought you would write possible, identify possible areas of adoption or implementation, or… I mean, you wrote future possible implementations. I get, I guess it's about pilot development things. 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:32.000 Oh, yeah, like, okay, um… 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:37.000 Yeah. 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:38.000 I think you hit the question mark for some suggested… 00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:43.000 One's in there, too. 00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:51.000 The process… 00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:57.000 Adoption… 00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:09.000 Yeah, so, yeah, we do want to talk about, uh… Pilot, like, um… piloting the dip. 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:21.000 Though we might again like we I guess we could change this over time, but it could be the case that a pilot for this has actually occurred by the time we get to WolfCon. Maybe possibly. 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:35.000 So, that would be something we could go over here, but understand the… Mechanics of the process. 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:52.000 displayed the… pilot phase… 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:57.000 I don't know, does that work? 00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:58.000 The one thing I… and it's kind of related, the one thing I did… 00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:00.000 Okay. 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:07.000 Kind of suggests, I sure if they're going to go with it or not, but the, um… 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:09.000 Not sure which group is it now? 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:13.000 Um, the R, um… 00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:16.000 RMC subgroup. 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:24.000 is I suggested maybe using the dips as the method for exposing what work was done. 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:27.000 And a flower release. That's part of the notes, instead of actually going to… 00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:31.000 Yeah. 00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:35.000 Jira the way we are now. 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:45.000 That would work if we had 100% participation with it, which I doubt we will have as long as it's an opt-in thing. 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:48.000 We might, um… 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:53.000 And some of the other things, and the reason why I say we might is… 00:32:53.000 --> 00:33:01.000 It's kind of where this group and that group are kind of coinciding, is because one of the things that we were talking about at the last meeting was actually having somebody from PC 00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:05.000 are multiple people from PC going through and kind of grabbing 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:13.000 the individual JIRAs and looking through them, pulling the information out to help with the POs creating release notes. 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:23.000 And that's the reason why I thought, well, wait, this could actually possibly work, because instead of doing that, they could just create dips for each one of those things, link the Jira tickets to it, 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:24.000 it would kind of solve both problems at once. You would have 00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:27.000 Yeah. 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:32.000 this tracking structure, but then you would also have something you can use as a reporting structure for the release nodes, 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:39.000 And also, another entity that you could tie things like, uh, because they were talking about the YouTube videos that are being released, and… 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:46.000 on work, I'm like, you could tie those directly to the debt. Like, they could be links on it of… as things are… 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:50.000 progressing, and they're doing the demos, you could tie those directly to 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:55.000 the dip as a kind of a working document for the entire thing, so… I don't know, we'll see. 00:33:55.000 --> 00:34:00.000 Yeah. That's a cool idea. I think you've identified a possible area for future improvement. 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:03.000 Yep. 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:11.000 That sounds like a developer. 00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:26.000 Alright, what are we thinking? Is this… do we… I mean, I don't think this is complex. It's either balanced or accessible, um, so the difference being the level of prerequisite knowledge that you need to engage with the session. 00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:30.000 I'd say balanced. 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:31.000 Okay. 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:38.000 I think having some working knowledge of how Jira functions and how dev functions on the back end, 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:40.000 would be helpful to understand what the process is and how it will… 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:50.000 interact with that process. 00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:51.000 I think it's the third option. 00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:56.000 hybrid short session. I definitely think we want a hybrid with… in person. 00:34:56.000 --> 00:35:05.000 or it's the second or either second or third. 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:22.000 I mean, you're the, uh… primary, um… Or the one who is submitting it. Um… Are you gonna be there in place in Prague? 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:23.000 I would do that. 00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:27.000 Yeah. 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:28.000 Yeah, it'll be cool. 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:38.000 Okay. So I'm looking forward to seeing you again. And… No, I mean, I think the question is if the one submitting is there in person, it's the second, and if not, it's the third one. 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:39.000 At least I understood it like that, but I'm not sure. 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:43.000 Okay. 00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:48.000 There's also this panel session right here. I don't think we want to run it as a panel. 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:49.000 Does it… 00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:53.000 No, I think the difference between two and three is that you have… you have either you have are in person there, or you need to have a moderator. 00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:58.000 Oh, yeah, I see. 00:35:58.000 --> 00:35:59.000 Yeah. 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:06.000 Okay. Okay, in-person hybrid form. 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:09.000 Oh, in-person moderator. So I am… so, okay, wait. So we don't need a moderator. Yeah. 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:12.000 Yeah, so… 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.000 Okay, so it's the second one. Right? Okay. 00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:20.000 I think so. 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:32.000 Yeah. That's a little confusing. They need to define what a moderator is in this context. 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:43.000 I didn't say something to them. Um, I think this did come up during one of the WolfCon things, and if they change these, it messes up the backend somehow. 00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:44.000 I can't stop it. 00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:50.000 Okay. Yeah, probably you can't… like, they've already gotten submissions sorted in a certain way, and then you change it, and it sorts it differently. 00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:54.000 Yeah, yeah, I can ask Alec. Um… 00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.000 Let me just take a screenshot, because then I'll… 00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:00.000 Whoops. Come on. 00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.000 Alright. 00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:04.000 Now remember what I'm talking about. 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:11.000 Um, I do remember something coming up with, um, those options, and… 00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:21.000 Alec was saying that if they changed it, it did mess up the backend somehow, but I… I can't remember if it was removing our… 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:22.000 I think it was removing and adding. 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:26.000 changing the description may not mess with it, so… 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.000 I'll ask. 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:35.000 Yeah, the timing sounds right, 50 minutes total, 40 minutes plus 10 minutes QA, that sounds pretty good. 00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:44.000 Um… hybrid full input. Yeah, I think… I think this feels right. 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:57.000 You selected in-person, hyperphone, or virtual. Please select which type is full session. 00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:58.000 Yeah, that's the first one. 00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:00.000 Regular standard PowerPoint presentation 1 to 3 presenters. 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:01.000 And then relate to projects. 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:10.000 Yeah. Okay. polio… And that's it. 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:14.000 Yep. 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:25.000 I heard that OLF reached out to. TDL about… are y'all familiar with the Vireo application? 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:28.000 No. 00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:29.000 DRio. 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:39.000 It's one that, yeah, Vireo is a document submittal application that we at Texas A&M was. 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:56.000 you know, hugely influential and building for the Texas digital libraries organization. And it was one of the 1st projects I worked on was building the version 4 of Vireo, and it's a pretty cool application. 00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:06.000 And I heard that they… there was some talk about them coming into the OLF umbrella, which would be neat. Olf is really… growing. 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:10.000 Do you think that part of that might be because, um… 00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:16.000 of the desire for CDL. 00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:17.000 Control Digital Lending. 00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:21.000 CDL… 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:32.000 Uh, like… like, being able to coordinate across all of these different, uh… uh, applications of, like, one ecosystem? Is that kind of what you're talking about? 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:37.000 Oh, no, um, basically what it is, is, um… 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:53.000 it would be a… it's a file server that has digital copies of books, journal articles, that sort of thing. Um, but you have to have a component within the library management system, and it's really tricky, because it's based on country and copyright law. 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:54.000 Sure. 00:39:54.000 --> 00:40:04.000 That basically, you… let's say, uh, of mice and men, your library has 5 copies. You have a digital copy on a server, 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:05.000 Sure, yeah. 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:14.000 you check out the digital copy from the server, and the library has to pull the physical copy off the shelf. Are they not allowed to check off the physical copy? Um, and there's a large desire with library to have this so that it makes their collections more accessible to their patrons. 00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:19.000 But the problem is, is they really haven't found a good platform to host 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:25.000 the digital content, and then also tie it to the library management system. 00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:30.000 And there's kind of people going in different directions. I was kind of wondering if maybe the step going with this group is that 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:33.000 They have a really viable 00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:36.000 server versus a very viable, like, 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:40.000 data warehouse system. 00:40:40.000 --> 00:41:06.000 This so Texas digital libraries mostly at this point is a like a nonprofit hosting organization to host digital repositories for people. So they host D space. 00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:07.000 Okay. 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.000 That's kind of their bread and butter. But then I also host this Vireo application, which is used as like a thesis and dissertation submittal system, right? But you know what? 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:28.000 works well about it is it empowers it, and it's used by a lot of folks. I think John's Hopkins, usually. I mean, it's used outside of Texas, for sure. And what's neat about it is, is that it really empowers an institution to be the, um. 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:51.000 institutional repository, you know, uh, so the pipeline allows for you to get these things submitted and do, like, the whole, like, you know, you can add advisors to, like, kind of comment. It allows this back and forth on your submission as you're kind of going through the submittal process. 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:52.000 Oh, cool. 00:41:52.000 --> 00:42:00.000 But then at the termination of the process, it'll put a copy in your digital repository. And so, it allows you to funnel the documents and really kind of hang on to them. 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:07.000 which is the incentive for the library to be involved with it, because we like… You know, having all those theses and dissertations accessible. 00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:12.000 I mean, and that makes sense, too, because I know there's… 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:22.000 a lot of… along with the CDL model, there's also a lot of libraries that are trying to get into, uh, open access, and Pulio does have the open access component, 00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:27.000 Uh, but you still have to have those documents hosted somewhere. 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.000 Yeah. Yeah. 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:38.000 Um, so that would actually give people a platform to do self-publishing of digital content. 00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:39.000 Yeah. 00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:45.000 Drew, we're really, really cool. I mean, yeah, I mean, either way, it's a good step forward. There's so much stuff going on, it's not funny. 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:51.000 I'm glad I'm not a metadata librarian. 00:42:51.000 --> 00:43:07.000 I worked with them a lot during my work on Vireo, uh, because, yeah, you know, so much of what we were doing was getting… you know, getting the metadata right on the… that was another thing, is, you know, having this be a. 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:17.000 you know, a standardized process allowed us to attach quality metadata to these theses and dissertations as they're going through. But then you have to figure out what quality metadata means. 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:22.000 Exactly, and that… but you could also, depending, like, if they're thinking of… 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:33.000 Um, if it falls under the same Olaf umbrella, there's a very high possibility that it could be tied tighter to folio, and then it doesn't have to deal with the metadata. The metadata's dealt with directly in folio. 00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:38.000 And then there was just an interconnection between the two, and lets it passed back and forth, but… um… 00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:41.000 Try anything else. 00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:46.000 Do we think that there's anything other than open source development on this list that this pertains to? 00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:56.000 I would just do other non, as you had checked, because you could say this goes with communication, community development, 00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:58.000 Yeah. 00:43:58.000 --> 00:43:59.000 I would say that falls under another… 00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:00.000 project governance. 00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:03.000 Hmm. 00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:12.000 Do you consent to be recorded? Yep. 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:13.000 Oh, God, no, please. 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:16.000 stream live on TikTok. 00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:25.000 Do you or any other presenters require any special accommodations, either for accessibility or room setup? I am not aware of that. 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:31.000 I require a coffee bar and candy, if accessible at all times. 00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:37.000 Do you have any questions or issues you would like? 00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:38.000 There we go. 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:39.000 Yes. Oh, that would be that would be awesome. 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:42.000 As you're in Prague, you require free beer. 00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:43.000 The only bad thing is I don't drink beer. 00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:47.000 Hmm… 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:48.000 Um, I don't really drink at all. 00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:49.000 Oh. 00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:55.000 All right. Martin, what is your email? 00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:59.000 Uh, Martin? I'll write in the chat. 00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:11.000 Okay. And would you mind, Thomas also? And I'll try to find Charlotte's. 00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:28.000 Let's see… community direct development. 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:37.000 Pretty sure she's gonna want… To participate… 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:43.000 Oh, she's fine. I got it. 00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:50.000 Company… Does she list her pronouns? She does not. It does not look like. 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:53.000 No. 00:45:53.000 --> 00:46:04.000 Okay. Um, job title… product owner, I think? So… Oh, no. Whoa. 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:13.000 She's got quite the… title product manager, lead product owner. 00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:25.000 Manager… Lead. 00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:26.000 I think… 00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:27.000 I'm not gonna fill this stuff in. Oh, man, we need bios. 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:30.000 No, you can just go ahead and skip it. 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:31.000 Oh, really? 00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:33.000 Can we, like, add these later? 00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:37.000 Yeah, uh, because once you… when you add a co-speaker, it also adds an account for them. 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:38.000 And then she should be able to go in and… 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:42.000 Right. It's… it's not mandatory, no? 00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:43.000 No, it doesn't look like it. Okay, yeah, I'm just gonna do the mandatory. 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:48.000 Is it? 00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:55.000 Fields… so we have Charlotte Witt, and… alright, now I'm going to start adding y'all. 00:46:55.000 --> 00:47:02.000 You only have to do the ones… the required fields, so it's just the email, first name, and last name. 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:05.000 I think that's a… um, because, again, like, 00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:09.000 once this… once this is, um… 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:21.000 I guess company, uh, job title. Once these are added, it creates accounts for all the speakers, and there's a speaker portal that you can go into and edit your information and update it. 00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:25.000 Okay, perfect. Thomas, do you list pronouns? 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:28.000 Nope. My pronouns are I don't and care. 00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:29.000 Okay. 00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:33.000 Call me whatever the heck you want, I don't care. 00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:34.000 Um… 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:41.000 All right. Cool. Uh, company, Cornell. 00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:42.000 folio application manager. 00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:48.000 What's your job title? 00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:54.000 I like that. Okay. 00:47:54.000 --> 00:48:00.000 I think we got everything for you. 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:04.000 Right. 00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:10.000 Martin… 00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:14.000 I get that right? Yeah. All right. 00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:17.000 The company… I put it in the chat. Just copy-paste it. 00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:23.000 Okay. Cool. And your job title? 00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:26.000 Uh, for your migration lead. 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:30.000 That sounds like a stressful job, Martin. 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:39.000 At the moment, it is. I hope in… at least in September, it won't be anymore. 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:48.000 Okay, I wonder if they let us add additional speakers later, because I'm not… I mean, if we look at… where is this? 00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:54.000 How do I get back to… 00:48:54.000 --> 00:49:01.000 If we look at the folks involved, I can see Jana wanting to participate. 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:09.000 But a lot of these folks have not been very actively participatory in recent meetings. 00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:21.000 So, I'll reach out to Jan and see if she wants to be added. If it doesn't let us add a speaker afterwards, I'll reach out to… The folks who are planning this and see if we can get her at it. 00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:25.000 Yeah, you can either ping Jennifer or Alec. They, um… 00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:29.000 are kind of the main touchpoints for the system. 00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:30.000 Okay. 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:34.000 I can also ping them, too. As I said, my understanding is that, yes, once you submit this, you should actually get information to set up an account. 00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:38.000 So… 00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:44.000 And you can go in and edit it over and over again. 00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.000 Oh, no, you use OwnCloud? 00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:54.000 Oh, ugh, what's wrong with you? 00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:59.000 I have, uh… 00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:03.000 experimenting with all sorts of self-hosting. 00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:09.000 I use that alone club for a while, um… 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:16.000 The main issue I had with it, you have to keep up on updates, because if you… if you forget to update the darn thing, 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:22.000 It's a bear to skip it from one version to another. Like, it… 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:23.000 Yeah. 00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:29.000 you can lose data, it can scramble. I also had issues with plugins. I mean, granted, this was quite a few years ago, but… 00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:31.000 like, I just, like, eh. 00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:34.000 Um, 00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:36.000 Oh, I already had it. Dang it. 00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:40.000 So, I actually ended up adding a bunch more services to replace OwnCloud. 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:43.000 But I like them a lot better, because they're more specific. 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:46.000 Um, have you heard of… 00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:50.000 Uh, paperless? 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:52.000 I have. 00:50:52.000 --> 00:51:03.000 I like paperless, especially if you have access to an AI model, a local AI model, you can send your documents to that, and it will do some model tagging and description for you. 00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:08.000 Um, but yeah, I really do like paperless. I use that for my electronic filing cabinet. 00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:14.000 Um, I find it easier to organize things in there than I did with OpCloud. 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:21.000 And I don't use the calendar, I just use Google Calendar. And there was other things I used, like the image thing, which… 00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:26.000 it matches a lot better with that. Their face recognition model is insanely good. 00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:28.000 But yeah. 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:41.000 That's cool. Yeah, I, um… I go through seasons where I'm, like, really into getting all this stuff set up, and then… I mean, right now, it's all chugging away. Great. I have, um… have you seen Audiobookshelf? 00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:43.000 Yes. 00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:55.000 Yeah, I got that running. I'm using MB. That's working great, uh, for, like, a media server. I also have Navidrome to do subsonic music server. 00:51:55.000 --> 00:52:03.000 Yep. 00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:04.000 Of course. 00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:32.000 And then, uh, Symphonium on all my family's phones to connect up to that server, and, uh, you know, so the music streaming is working great. I'm… I'm really trying to… a lot of it is, is I have teenagers, and I am… you know, in this modern digital age. I I don't know. I'm like big brother 100% like I'm I don't give them any digital freedom like I'm, you know, like, all up in their their business. And so. 00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:33.000 Right, right. 00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:45.000 I'm like, no, you can't have Spotify. You can use my music streaming service. You know, you can't I'm not, I'm not signing you up on all these, you know, YouTube and all this stuff. You can, you know, watch videos on our stuff. And I figured that's the easiest way for me to make sure that they're not getting involved in. 00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:49.000 And you know what? It still doesn't work. They still figure out ways around all of it, but… but I'm trying. 00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:54.000 Oh, no, my 10-year-old niece knows how to get past the parental controls and get onto YouTube. 00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:59.000 Um, I… I have… let's see, what do I have right now? So, my… 00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:16.000 my Dell web server is running 72 total containers, frigate's running 3, but that's normal, that's Frigate, that's the connector for my Waze cameras, and that's the, uh, actual management software. Uh, my media server is running 23. 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:17.000 Nice. 00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:22.000 containers. So, primarily what I run for media is Plex, but I do have audio bookshelves. Um, I did try the, uh, I think it's Audacity. 00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:24.000 Um, and a few others. 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:33.000 I was playing with Jellyfin, and I have to admit, I really, really, really like Jellyfan, but right now… 00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:40.000 they did something with their database. First of all, they used a SQL-like database, which is horrible. Like, they should use ProPrest or something else of that nature. 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:42.000 But I have… 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:45.000 1,500 TV shows. 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:50.000 series that I have in there. And episodes-wise, I have about 20,000. 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:51.000 Uh, yeah, I have, um, two… 00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:55.000 a lot. That's a lot of space. 00:53:55.000 --> 00:54:01.000 ZFS arrays that are about 70 terabytes apiece. 00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:02.000 Yeah. 00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:13.000 Um, but I'm the digital repository for my entire family. They buy something, they give it to me, it gets ripped and it's put on there, and they stream it from my server, because then they can get it from wherever they want. And I have a lot of British stuff, and the things of that nature for my brother-in-law. 00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:19.000 Um, but that's why I was playing with Jellyfin, because I'm like, okay, well, I really like the interface, I can customize it more, but… 00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:23.000 Right now, a scam on my library takes 2 days. 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:24.000 It's ridiculous, because of things. 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:26.000 Yeah. 00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:31.000 But yeah, I have a whole bunch of stuff running on there. I have Book Lore for magazines and e-books. 00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:34.000 Um, I had… 00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:35.000 Have you tried Envy? 00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:44.000 I have. I used to use them a while back. I wasn't massively impressed with them, but I could… I might swing back and try them again. 00:54:44.000 --> 00:55:00.000 I… I like I liked it a lot. I… so I tried jellyfin, and what I didn't like about it was that it doesn't have the application support. So MBS focused a lot on getting approved applications on, like, all the different platforms, you know, so. 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:16.000 There's, you know, a Samsung be app and like, you know, so you could get it on your smart TV and on your phone and all that stuff. And I like that. So the clients I like a lot for MB. The backend management is… I don't have a problem with it. I couldn't imagine it being better, I suppose, but… 00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:20.000 I was gonna say, when was the last time you tried Jellyfin, though? 00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:24.000 Oh, okay. 00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:25.000 Here's a friend. 00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:27.000 pretty recently, but I did… that was my issue with it wasn't the back end, it was the… I couldn't… I couldn't find the app… the clients for it. 00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:34.000 I don't know about the… I don't know about Apple ecosystem, but I do know on Android, because, uh, there is a… 00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:37.000 Android Jellyfin app. 00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:45.000 Um, I was able to download from Play Store for both my TVs and my phone, because I have Android TV on all my TVs. 00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:54.000 Um, so I was using it that way. And also, oddly enough, Home Assistant saw my Jellyfin server and tried to connect to it right away. He's like, oh, you have a Jellyfin server, let me connect to it and add integrations. 00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:57.000 Oh, that's cool. 00:55:57.000 --> 00:56:07.000 Um, I don't know, like, I bought a pack, a Plex Pass years ago, like, when it was 100 bucks. 00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:08.000 And it's a lifetime pass, so now that's 400 bucks in the car. 00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:09.000 Yeah. Yeah. They gotcha. 00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:17.000 Yeah, um, so I have all their apps. I don't have to leave their ecosystem, it's just… 00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:20.000 I like the customization. 00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:21.000 Um… 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:22.000 Yeah. Hey, if you got something that works, then, you know… 00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:29.000 Yeah. But then on my other one, I have stuff I use for work, so I use, um, Docant. 00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:31.000 to manage all my servers. 00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:36.000 I was using Protainer, um, but, like, on my, um… 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:43.000 Well, Delve, I have a application called AppFlowy. 00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:44.000 I know outflowing, yeah. 00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:50.000 Yeah, I've been running that. I have Bar Assistant, I have, uh, Tander, and I have Mealy for managing recipes. 00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:55.000 Um, but I also have, uh, PenPot. 00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:56.000 Mm-hmm. 00:56:56.000 --> 00:57:00.000 installed, and I use that for actually doing mock-ups for my personal stuff as well as for folio. And it's nice because 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:04.000 I don't have to have any software installed, I just go wherever I want, open up a browser. 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:05.000 There it is. 00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:10.000 Yeah. Martin, do you dabble in any self-hosting, or is that too much like doing work at home? 00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:24.000 No, I really… I really envy you that you have the time and the nerves to do that. I tried it, and I just… I gave up, especially because my family just… Doesn't yeah they they will… 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:26.000 sabotage it. 00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:38.000 Yeah. Yeah, I have had stuff unplugged, you know, where they're, like, you know, cleaning and stuff, and they're just like, oh, this doesn't matter. I'm like, what are you doing? 00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:44.000 Yeah, all my servers are sitting in the corner of my office, no one's allowed to touch them. In fact, I get yelled at it for it, because my spouse is like, where are you gonna show me how to run this? 00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:49.000 Like, if you can't… I'm like, you don't understand how difficult it is to manage the server. 00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:50.000 And how much base knowledge you need. Well, if you… I think if you sit down and show me, I'm like, okay, 00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:53.000 Yeah. 00:57:53.000 --> 00:58:04.000 So, I need to explain to you how to set up a ZFFS array, how to manage it, how to remove and add and change drives. The entire concept of Z… 00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:21.000 Yeah. My next goal is to invest in some hardware and set up a LLM locally and get that all going, get like a local, uh, chat bot. Um, so we'll, we'll see how that goes. 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:29.000 Check with some of the home-assisted community. Are you running… actually, wait, are you running Home Assistant at all, or no? 00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:51.000 I am not, um… yeah, I'm not. I… I wouldn't mind getting into that, but I find that as soon as you go down the home automation route, it gets really expensive, because you have to buy all the peripherals that interface with it, and I've been trying to… Basically, I've been trying to do this in a way where my wife will let me continue doing it, so I'm like, it's as cheap as possible. 00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:58.000 I mean, if you already have things like smart bulbs and that, Home Assistance will… Home Assistant will tie to a lot of the stuff you already have. 00:58:58.000 --> 00:58:59.000 You have none? Oh, okay, yeah. 00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:00.000 But that's what I'm saying, like, I have no smart heart. Yeah. 00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:10.000 every… every… I have… pretty much every light bulb that's in a lamp is a smart bulb. I have smart light switches and outlets and all that stuff all over the place. 00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:12.000 I mean, I would love… I would love to do that, but, you know, alas. 00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:17.000 Yeah. It's expensive. Um, when we move, I've been speccing out 00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:18.000 Hmm. 00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:24.000 Um, putting in a new security system and network through Unifi's system… uh, uh… 00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:29.000 system, they're like, ooh, this is pretty. But it's, like, six grand. 00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:30.000 Uh, so… 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:32.000 Yeah. Yeah. 00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:35.000 But yeah, I mean, um… 00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:39.000 because I have almost as a, uh, NA and… 00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:43.000 Uh, that does a bunch of different things for stuff around here. 00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:47.000 Uh, what was it? But there was something else I was asking before that, too, because of it. 00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:53.000 Oh, YouTube-wise, um, there's also… have you heard of, um… 00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:55.000 Uh, U-Track… 00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:59.000 And tube archivist. 00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:04.000 Are those, like, the ones that back up YouTube and, like, give you a proxy? Yeah, I have looked into that. 01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:12.000 Well, they will… they'll actually… both… there's ones that will give you a proxy, but ones that will actually back up YouTube locally. 01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:13.000 Yeah. 01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:19.000 So you can hold on to YouTube videos. Those are interesting, especially when people pull content and their tutorials for things that you need. 01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:20.000 Um, but yeah, I don't wait too much. 01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:30.000 Yeah. I do. I do a lot of, um… I do. I do pull stuff off of YouTube. 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:38.000 I have a few programs that will do that, but it's very piecemeal. It's just kind of like, I have to decide to like run it. It's not automated in any way, so… Yeah. Yeah. 01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:53.000 Oh yeah, mine's the same way, is I have to actually tell it that I want this video over here, and most of it is, like, people will, you know, laugh at this… 01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:54.000 Yeah. Okay. 01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:58.000 Um, people will add to YouTube things like the soundtrack to Disney parades and fireworks shows, and I'll grab things like that, uh, because they'll have a tendency sometimes to get pulled back down. 01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:00.000 Um, yeah. 01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:03.000 Yeah. Alright, folks. Well, we made it all the way to the hour. Look at this. 01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:05.000 Yeah. 01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:09.000 Did you submit the the CFP? Yeah. 01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:10.000 Yep, and uh… 01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:15.000 I did, yeah. Oh, the wait the CFP. 01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:16.000 Yeah, yeah. 01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:17.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:18.000 I mean, the submission for the session, uh… 01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:24.000 And then, uh, WolfCon, we will get Martin into, um, setting up a home lab. 01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:30.000 Yes. Who knows what miracles will have come up with by then? 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:31.000 Yeah. 01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:32.000 Yeah. Oh. 01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:40.000 I know what it was. Um, look at the Home Assistant community and the LLMs they're using. There's a lot of people there that are buying cheap Mac Minis for, like, $600. 01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:41.000 Yeah. 01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:51.000 And using those for, uh, local language models, because they have the unified memory. You can't run massive, massive, massive models, but you can run usually, like, 20 billion token models fairly easily. 01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:52.000 And for 600 pucks? 01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:57.000 Yeah. It's like, uh… GPT 3 or 3.5, something like that. Yeah. 01:01:57.000 --> 01:01:58.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. 01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:00.000 Hmm. 01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:01.000 Okay. Alright, well, take it easy, folks. 01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:05.000 Yeah, there… hold on. Yep. Take care. 01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:14.000 Okay.