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Susan Kimball: Hello, everyone!

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Scott Peterson: Morning.

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Susan Kimball: It'll give folks a few minutes to come in.

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Susan Kimball: Cornelia, I have that we are at UXProd 2271. Does that jive with what you have on… the spreadsheet.

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Susan Kimball: Okay, great.

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Susan Kimball: I think I am gonna try the, AI companion today. I think that it actually generates a meeting summary. I've been doing,

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Susan Kimball: I've been… I went back and did a bunch of AI meeting summaries for prior, I think that…

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Susan Kimball: I don't know if you have to turn it on in order to get a summary at the end of the meeting, but

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Susan Kimball: curious if anyone has used that feature before.

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Cornelia Awenius: We've used it before, and you have to put it on, yes, but you did.

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Susan Kimball: I did, I turned it on, but if we… if you…

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Susan Kimball: If you turn it on, does it then…

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Susan Kimball: Generate the summary at the end of the meeting automatically?

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Cornelia Awenius: We had that sent to us.

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Susan Kimball: By Peter Murray. Oh, right, Peter got it.

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Susan Kimball: But it must generate it if we turn it on. Is that what happened, Cornelia, that you remember? Yes, yes.

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Cornelia Awenius: As far as I remember.

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Susan Kimball: Alright, we'll see if that works. The way… so, just so folks know, the way… I have not been doing these meetings

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Susan Kimball: Because we're documenting everything that we're deciding in, in the spreadsheet, and then also in JIRA. But the… our regular meetings, we have been,

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Susan Kimball: I started using… Tom had been using a local version of Copilot when he was doing it. I started, using…

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Susan Kimball: Gemini.

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Susan Kimball: an institutional version of Gemini, which means that the transcript does not go to train the model, it just gets, analyzed locally. So, don't worry about the notes. So, I… I did them back to where we…

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Susan Kimball: we're caught up at this point. So, I can continue to do them in Gemini. I did not want to do them in Gemini if it was just going to the cloud, so, and I will… we'll talk about it, and I'll give folks a chance to respond at Monday's meeting, when we have a

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Susan Kimball: Larger, contingent, hopefully.

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Susan Kimball: So…

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Susan Kimball: Welcome, everyone. Nice to see you all. Today, we're gonna keep making our way through these remaining JIRA tickets, which is, we're getting close to.

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Susan Kimball: I think this is our last…

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Susan Kimball: group of them. So we probably have 2 or 3 more meetings worth, but hopefully we will get through them.

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Susan Kimball: Cornelia is going to…

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Susan Kimball: keep up on the spreadsheet, and I will be sharing my screen. We are up to 22.

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Susan Kimball: 71. Any, announcements or anything before… We get started.

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Susan Kimball: Alright.

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Susan Kimball: I will share my screen.

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Susan Kimball: And I will make it a little bit bigger…

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Susan Kimball: Alright, is that big enough? People read it okay?

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Susan Kimball: Alright, 2271. Use effective copy number.

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Susan Kimball: In loans and related in-app reports.

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Susan Kimball: Let's see…

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Susan Kimball: Well, did we look at… I don't even know if we have looked at 2170. Let's just take a quick peek at that.

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Thomas Trutt: Something tells me that's inventory.

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Thomas Trutt: So we probably didn'.

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Susan Kimball: Oh, yeah, we probably did not.

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Susan Kimball: It's interesting, all the things that are…

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Susan Kimball: It is open, and all the things that are… it's referring to are all closed, presumably done.

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Susan Kimball: Hmm.

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Susan Kimball: Interesting.

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Susan Kimball: So this one is just about storing it.

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Susan Kimball: It was split off from…

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Susan Kimball: So where is this supposed to be stored? Because it's already doing this…

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Thomas Trutt: I wonder if this was one that was completed, but never closed.

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Thomas Trutt: If you scroll back down to the linked issues, what's down there?

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Susan Kimball: It's this one that…

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah.

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Susan Kimball: I don't understand how store effective copy number is different than… oh, it's the call number piece that is store, that is…

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Susan Kimball: That this one is, is done.

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Susan Kimball: But they haven't… they're not storing… Effective copy number?

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Susan Kimball: In the item record, that seems… isn't it part of the call number?

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Susan Kimball: The effective call number, or maybe not?

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Thomas Trutt: I thought it was.

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Susan Kimball: I would have thought it was, too.

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Susan Kimball: Who is… oh, Kate! It doesn't look like this is on any… Schedule.

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Susan Kimball: This is an old ticket, too.

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Susan Kimball: So right now, the copy number… this one looks like it is…

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Susan Kimball: I mean, it's actually marked as blocked.

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Susan Kimball: So, I don't know if it needs further refinement, or if we can just flag this one, but it looks like it needs to be…

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Susan Kimball: I mean, look at how old this one is, like, iris.

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Susan Kimball: It looks like we would need to check in with…

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Susan Kimball: Metadata management inventory folks to figure out what's going on with that other one.

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Susan Kimball: Is it sup… hmm…

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Susan Kimball: Can someone look and see if it's in the effective call number? Because I actually thought…

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Susan Kimball: But isn't it the last digit of the effective call number?

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Robert Heaton: Copy number is an effective call number. Here's a… here's a page that says that.

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Susan Kimball: Okay.

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Susan Kimball: So this sounds like it needs to be a separate

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Susan Kimball: field, but if it's already part of the effective call number, then…

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Susan Kimball: Does that make this not necessary or redundant?

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Robert Heaton: Well, and…

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Robert Heaton: I'm trying to jump in to check, but, like, Holdings Record doesn't have a copy number field, does it?

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Thomas Trutt: It shouldn't.

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Susan Kimball: No, it should be in the item only.

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Robert Heaton: Yeah, so the effective copy number is always going to be the item copy number, so I don't… I don't understand.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, it feels like it's already… like it's already there.

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Susan Kimball: Because it said, like, where do you want it? You want it anywhere the effective call number string displays in the user's loan, so…

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Susan Kimball: It's always… And in transit.

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Susan Kimball: As long as the effective call number is being displayed, the copy number is part of that.

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Susan Kimball: So I'm wondering if we don't need this anymore.

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Susan Kimball: Any…

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Cornelia Awenius: You could probably check if the effective call number is on all these reports mentioned.

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Cornelia Awenius: Otherwise… Can be closed.

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Susan Kimball: Okay, will you put a note in the spreadsheet.

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Cornelia Awenius: Yes.

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Susan Kimball: to check, and I won't drag everyone through it now, but yeah, I think that if it's true that the effective call number is in these reports, which usually it is,

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Susan Kimball: Then… and it certainly is, like, in the lists.

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Susan Kimball: When you're running a list, you can get the effective call number.

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Susan Kimball: Then I think it seems like this is redundant, because it was already taken care of.

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Susan Kimball: And could potentially be closed.

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Susan Kimball: And potentially, this one… Could also be closed, if that

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Susan Kimball: is… already stored.

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Susan Kimball: I mean…

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Susan Kimball: There is a copy number on the item record, obviously, and this… if this is effective copy number as part of the effective call number, then you might not… they might not need that either.

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Thomas Trutt: I think this might actually be re…

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Thomas Trutt: This might be worded wrong, I think it's supposed to be used effective call number in loans and related app reports.

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Cornelia Awenius: No, there was, the store… the store effective copy number, says this… there were split tickets. One was to call number prefix, and suffix, and the other one was for copy number to be part of the effective call number.

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Cornelia Awenius: So…

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Susan Kimball: Which is…

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Cornelia Awenius: That's why it says copy number, because that was split from the previous suffix.

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Susan Kimball: Right, from this other… oh, it's not here anymore. It was on the other one, yeah. I think that's right.

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Susan Kimball: Alright, well, I'll take a look at those reports and see, because it does feel like it is redundant.

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Thomas Trutt: For that, it's really old, and we don't… we didn't miss it anyways. Right.

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Susan Kimball: Yes, it's from 2019.

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Susan Kimball: All right.

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Susan Kimball: Why did you go all the way to the top? Alright, let me try that again.

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Susan Kimball: let's see… It is not clicking where I'm clicking. Okay.

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Thomas Trutt: doesn't want you to open that one.

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Susan Kimball: Does not. Check out… improve styling. Okay. Check out failures. Improved styling.

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Susan Kimball: This is a very brief ticket.

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Susan Kimball: Current error message structure does not allow for front-end to style them and call attention to important text.

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Susan Kimball: Let's see this one as, an example.

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Thomas Trutt: I'm not sure… I'm not sure how much styling you want to add to this because of screen readers and accessibility.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah.

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Robert Heaton: Well, we could have Symantec.

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Robert Heaton: you know, the features in HTML, right? That would… Or, like… Or both.

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Susan Kimball: Bold and… right.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah.

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Susan Kimball: So, in this case…

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Susan Kimball: So it's basically… Bolding.

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Susan Kimball: Isn't there… this feels like…

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Susan Kimball: there is styling in modals. Like, there are definitely bolded items, so I'm wondering if this is already…

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Susan Kimball: been done.

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Thomas Trutt: Might have been done in a different ticket.

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Thomas Trutt: But you're right, there is.

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Susan Kimball: Especially styling, because the status is definitely highlighted in some of them.

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Susan Kimball: I don't feel like this has not been done at all.

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Susan Kimball: I think this is another one we have to look at, Cornelia, and see… Because I've…

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Susan Kimball: I know that there's definitely bolded information in pop-up, in modals, when you're checking things in and out.

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Susan Kimball: Maybe it's just in checkout… checkout specifically?

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Susan Kimball: I think we would have to look at that.

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Cornelia Awenius: Maybe it was forgotten for the special case, or maybe not, maybe it's ticketus.

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Susan Kimball: I mean, this is very…

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Susan Kimball: generic, and looks like there's this one ticket for a specific example, but that looks like the only…

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Susan Kimball: only one, and maybe this has already been done in other… this one is also a very old.

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Susan Kimball: Ticket.

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Susan Kimball: Back to 2020.

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Thomas Trutt: Dina would probably know if this was done or not, or how the front-end styling is done. I do know that the error messages that popped up are using a common dialog box.

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Thomas Trutt: In a combined dialog box, they did that when there's multiple blocks on a patron account or a checkout.

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Thomas Trutt: Okay. This might have been rolled into that, because I… you're right, I do know there is styling. It might also have been, and it's not flushed out here, that they want something on the back end that identifies what needs to be styled, and maybe it's all on the front end now, or… yeah, who knows?

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, it does say that the structure on the back end doesn't allow for the front end to be styled. But I'm curious, like you said, does it…

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Susan Kimball: are they all controlled by the same styling? Like, whenever a dialog box comes up, bold the item status, bold, like, you know what I mean?

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Susan Kimball: Because they can't be doing these one at a time, every different message that comes up. There's gotta be some standard…

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, there's templates that they use, that they apply, because you need it for internationalization, because the text around the components portfolio needs to be…

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Susan Kimball: Right.

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Susan Kimball: Okay, just make a note…

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Cornelia Awenius: Relatively quickly, yes.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, let's test it, and we'll see, because it feels like this could potentially be, closed.

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Susan Kimball: So if it's already taken care of, then we can close this one.

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Susan Kimball: Alright, make phone a repeatable field with type labels.

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Susan Kimball: So, phone… Numbers… .

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Thomas Trutt: I think this relates back to when we were talking about allowing Folio to have multiple message

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Thomas Trutt: avenues. Like, you could have print, email, text message.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, I thought text messaging was still on the… thing, but…

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Thomas Trutt: It keeps popping off.

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Susan Kimball: They're… but they're already…

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Susan Kimball: We have two fixed fields, though, phone and mobile phone, so I don't know that we need this.

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Thomas Trutt: What about facts?

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Olga: Actually, it's, probably, I don't know if this ticket is about it, but, no, sorry.

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Olga: I was thinking about email.

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Olga: Sorry, no.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, I mean, right now there's email, phone, and mobile phone are the three fields, I think, in that chunk of the user record.

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Susan Kimball: So… I think this sounds like a different way of approaching… like… having…

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Susan Kimball: a more flexible way of doing it, but I think we already have two phone fields, and one of them is labeled mobile.

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Susan Kimball: So if we do, I hope we do eventually, enable SMS messaging that It…

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Susan Kimball: There's a mobile phone field that could be used.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah.

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Susan Kimball: I think.

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Thomas Trutt: I mean…

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Susan Kimball: Is not necessarily needed, but… -Oh.

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Thomas Trutt: nice to have.

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Thomas Trutt: A lot of applications where you're storing user data allow for multiple

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Thomas Trutt: phone types. Like, you have a home phone number, office phone number, mobile phone number.

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Thomas Trutt: like, emergency contacts, like… Right. Like, 50 different phone numbers. Right.

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Susan Kimball: But we don't… is there a use case for that, though?

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Thomas Trutt: No.

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Susan Kimball: Like, in the case of this, like, what are we… what is our goal here? Like, if the goal is to enable…

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Susan Kimball: Text messaging. We have to have one field that allows a place for the mobile phone to be designated.

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Thomas Trutt: Exactly.

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Susan Kimball: I don't know.

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Thomas Trutt: I think the only place where this would be more useful…

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Thomas Trutt: For… let me rewind it. For higher education, I don't think it's necessary, because you're right, like, we only need a contact phone number, and then we need a cell phone number, because we have other avenues to get people's phone numbers.

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Thomas Trutt: But I'd be interested to see what public libraries

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Thomas Trutt: Private institutions would think, because they may need to or want to store more phone numbers.

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Jacob Dudley: Was this about recording the carrier for the phones?

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Jacob Dudley: Because I do remember at my old library, when we did have SMS, we did have to put in the carrier.

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Susan Kimball: Ugh.

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Thomas Trutt: I don't see if it…

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, it does… he's right, it does.

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Jacob Dudley: Certain carriers did not allow… like, we could not send from certain carriers.

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Susan Kimball: Huh.

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Jacob Dudley: Like, AT&T's T-Mobile, whatever.

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Susan Kimball: Yup.

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Cornelia Awenius: But I… For me, it seems, it's more along, like, you need a home phone, work phone, whatever.

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Cornelia Awenius: parent's phone.

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Susan Kimball: Right.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, I don't know about the carrier aspect of it.

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Susan Kimball: how the messaging would work. It's… I mean, the technology has developed so…

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah.

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Susan Kimball: Far beyond where basic messaging used to be, like, I don't know.

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Thomas Trutt: you used to need to know the carrier, and some systems don't have it because certain carriers had restrictions around text message versus SMS message, but then also, you could cheat.

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Thomas Trutt: Some carriers, like AT&T, and I think Verizon actually had an email address that everyone's cell phone had, so, like, here would be your number at

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Thomas Trutt: AT&T.sms.omething like that. So you could send a message that way, and not use an SMS gateway, but…

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Susan Kimball: Right. I don't think it's needed anymore, but…

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, that'd be a doubt.

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Susan Kimball: That it's not… that's not sort of how…

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, it says right here that it does already allow for it.

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Cornelia Awenius: We do have different address types, so maybe it was meant, like, addresses are a style that you can…

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Cornelia Awenius: Choose between home and work and whatever you want.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, I mean, I think it would need to be pretty far down the list of… beyond what… I mean, the capability, what we have right now.

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Susan Kimball: Has probably enough to support text messaging.

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Susan Kimball: It doesn't… it's true, it doesn't have…

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Anja Kakau | VZG: for our old system, the approach was a totally different one. It was not one or two,

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Anja Kakau | VZG: entries for the patron itself, but having this type of address fields, like you could add a work address.

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Anja Kakau | VZG: A home address, a parent's address, and for each, you could add an email and a phone number, and that approach, for me, would make more sense, because it would be connected to some kind of

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Anja Kakau | VZG: Already existing address type, but.

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Susan Kimball: Right.

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Anja Kakau | VZG: That's a totally different approach.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, Anya, our old system did that as well. The phone number was tied to…

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Susan Kimball: The type of contact was sort of like… and tied to dates, like, you're… you're home during these dates, or whatever.

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Cornelia Awenius: But it seems a bit out of date. Yeah.

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Susan Kimball: Well, are people comfortable with…

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Susan Kimball: proposing to close it now. Again, these go… if… if this comes up again, it's gonna… I mean, it's literally one sentence. It's gonna need to be rewritten anyway, if this is gonna be any fir… go any further.

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Thomas Trutt: I say killer.

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Cornelia Awenius: I mean, there is a… there is a team working on SMS messaging right now.

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Susan Kimball: That's good.

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Cornelia Awenius: Monday, so… maybe…

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Susan Kimball: That's exciting.

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Cornelia Awenius: Because Staff Day, she edited a lot of those tickets.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, right. You know somebody's doing something.

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Cornelia Awenius: Yes.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, I mean, if they need more than what they have, that's gonna come back.

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Cornelia Awenius: Yes.

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Susan Kimball: to user management, so… Alright, let's close it, and we'll see if anybody speaks up for it.

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Susan Kimball: Oh, no.

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Thomas Trutt: Sorry, my brain is just going in 15 different directions today. When you said that, I just went to wedding vows. Speak now and forever hold your baby.

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Susan Kimball: Exactly.

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Susan Kimball: Alright, prioritizing needed for… -Oh, is this the three-part item sheet?

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Susan Kimball: It is.

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Thomas Trutt: Kill it.

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Susan Kimball: Well, we're rethinking… I mean, are… is 3-part item state dead in the water, or what is… where are we at with that, would you say, Tom?

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Thomas Trutt: I say we kill it. No, I have to get…

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Thomas Trutt: and talk to Laura Daniels. Me and her were going to…

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Thomas Trutt: Do a spin-off group from, Cross-op.

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Susan Kimball: Yep.

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Thomas Trutt: And look at the pain points of current item status and that.

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Thomas Trutt: Either way, like, the way item state func… the whole idea behind three-part item state, the way it was designed, is probably going to get tossed out the window and redesigned.

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Susan Kimball: Which is why this needed for is not… It… this.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah. It's gonna be relevant, yeah.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, instead of, like, 3 parts, I was thinking 2 parts. Right.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah.

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Susan Kimball: Okay, so do we think… This can be closed, as it is.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, I say kill it.

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Susan Kimball: Because even if it does get… even if it does get put together with… I mean, it gets rewritten, I think, or the whole thing is going to have to be rewritten, so needed for might not even be a thing.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, I think it was,

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Thomas Trutt: I think the new… the state that I was thinking of keeping was process.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah.

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Susan Kimball: Which is sort of what it… what the process is that it's…

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Susan Kimball: In, like, reserve process, or binding, or whatever.

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Thomas Trutt: Exactly, exactly. And it kind of combined… the new idea behind item estates is it kind of combined the other two, because you had needed for, and you had process, and… Right.

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Susan Kimball: It's really just won, like…

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, exactly, that's exactly it. And basically, it would be an extra state that could have multiple steps to it.

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Thomas Trutt: Which is what the other wall was supposed to do, so it cleans up the item record slightly.

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Susan Kimball: Gotcha.

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Susan Kimball: Alright, this is a notification… When recently ordered item they are interested in is available.

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Susan Kimball: Oh, so… Oh, this was mentioned by 5 colleges.

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Cornelia Awenius: You don't know anything about it properly. Well, I mean…

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Susan Kimball: This is a July 10th, let's see, July 10th, when? 2020, Cornelia. No, I don't remember this specific… and it was also in resource management, not resource access.

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Cornelia Awenius: Oh, great.

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Susan Kimball: This…

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Cornelia Awenius: about…

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Cornelia Awenius: about… I don't… something is on order, but I don't want to request it, but I do want to know when it's available.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah.

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Susan Kimball: This is funny, because for the longest time, we have always had on our order form, like, notify me.

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Susan Kimball: There is no such thing, there has never, ever been, in any system we've had a notification when something is available. What notify means is we put it on hold for you. So if you just want to be notified, you can't be. It's not actually a thing.

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Cornelia Awenius: Whoa.

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Susan Kimball: So…

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Thomas Trutt: Is there… Is there a way, and perhaps this could be reworked, is there a way

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, I guess there isn't. How could you? Never mind.

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Thomas Trutt: SSA, is there a way of having a request for something that's on order?

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Thomas Trutt: But… More… yeah, but I'd have to have an item record.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, so when it's ordered, as soon as it's on order, it can be requested.

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Susan Kimball: But it has to have an item, because you can't place a request without it. So the request happens, you just can't…

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Susan Kimball: be notified without requesting it. That's what this is about.

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Susan Kimball: I think, yeah, I think we need to let this one go, because we have not ever been able to do it, and I don't…

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, see, if I recall, five colleges did distinguish between putting a request on it.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, and Erin is saying that she thought it was from the, like, a catalog when you see her, so I… this almost also feels like a workaround. If that's the case, this feels like a workaround for the whole, like, three-part item status.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah.

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Susan Kimball: But it's not…

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Cornelia Awenius: from a patron's view, I think this is interesting, but it sounds way too complicated.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, I know, which is why we've never had it.

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Cornelia Awenius: Yeah.

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Susan Kimball: We finally just changed the wording on our order form and said… changed it from notify me, which was a lie, to place it on hold. So, notify is no longer an option.

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Anja Kakau | VZG: And why distinguish… I say kill it.

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Susan Kimball: Well, because some people don't want it, they just want to know… I guess because…

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Susan Kimball: I think this is a dated…

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Susan Kimball: and quaint idea. It used to be, at Amherst.

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Susan Kimball: We had many, many faculty who were responsible for building the collection. They would just go through catalogs, they would order books, we had really robust ordering from our faculty.

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Susan Kimball: They didn't want… they were building the collection. They didn't need to see all the books, they just… whatever. So, they didn't necessarily want to get them. This… this doesn't happen anymore, so it's…

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Susan Kimball: I think it should just be closed.

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Thomas Trutt: I like that.

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Cornelia Awenius: We have…

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Susan Kimball: We have not kept any of these open so far, I just want to let you know. It's very exciting.

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Thomas Trutt: I also, like, I would say, also argue that it's not part of Access Services, that that should be part of collection development and ordering. That should be part of.

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Susan Kimball: We're in charge of notices.

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Thomas Trutt: We don't have to be.

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Susan Kimball: Isn't that?

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Anja Kakau | VZG: That's something for discovery? Like… Yeah. Push it over there.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, exactly.

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Susan Kimball: Alright.

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Cornelia Awenius: Sorry. Katie, what do you mean by it happens in public libraries?

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Katie Rahman: Oh, the… people will request a book being added to collection, but they just want to be notified and not a whole place. It happened a lot, and I think it's kind of the same idea that they think it should be added to the collection, you know, it's like something missing from the collection that we should have, but not that they necessarily want it.

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Katie Rahman: So… Yeah, that…

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Susan Kimball: I would argue, why do they need to know that it came in, right? Like, I would have argued that for our own fact.

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Cornelia Awenius: Because they're interested, but don't need it right now and in the first place, so wonder how others let it first and don't hold it up.

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Thomas Trutt: Because that way, if it's never purchased it, yeah, I was gonna say, that way, if it's never purchased, they can come to the library and complain that, why did you not purchase this item?

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Susan Kimball: Or why did it take you 6 months to purchase a sign-up? Right.

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Katie Rahman: I… I don't think it's necessary. Like, I… like Susan said, there's no ILS that would have… that had that functionality that I'm aware of. So, yeah, I… I think it's… it would be way complicated and not a high priority.

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Susan Kimball: That was gonna be my next question, Katie, was whether your library that you had this happen at actually could fulfill this, other than, like, someone emailing them manually.

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Katie Rahman: Yeah, that's what we did, you know, we have a spreadsheet and contact the person, so…

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Susan Kimball: Alright, this one looks like, Olga, one that you all looked at for reserves. After an item has been associated with a course, sync item and inventory data. Oh yeah, we definitely

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Susan Kimball: This… Has been a problem.

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Susan Kimball: From the beginning, that the way that courses was developed, Was that when you attach

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Susan Kimball: It is a one-time grab of that data, and there's not a live connection between

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Susan Kimball: It's not just pointing to the UUID, for example, and pulling in that data.

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Susan Kimball: And it has various implications down the road.

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Susan Kimball: So I think this one… Probably needs further refinement?

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Susan Kimball: I would think. It doesn't have very much in it.

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Cornelia Awenius: The development team, no.

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Susan Kimball: Oh.

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Susan Kimball: Wow.

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Olga: When we looked at it, none of us had enough expertise to refine it, so…

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Susan Kimball: Okay.

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Susan Kimball: But it does date back to when it was very first, when Courses was built, so…

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Olga: Yes.

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Thomas Trutt: mentioning PubSub. Yeah, right.

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Susan Kimball: So, it's gotta be refined.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, I think this is still a desired functionality on the courses side, it just… it needs refinement.

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Olga: I think it was even on our priority list, of course.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, yeah, it may very well have been.

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Susan Kimball: Hey, we kept one! Look at that.

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Susan Kimball: Your item status. Check in… yeah, I did…

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Susan Kimball: Check-in customized behavior in the check-in app.

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Thomas Trutt: No.

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Susan Kimball: No.

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Susan Kimball: We… okay, wait.

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Thomas Trutt: I think this is back to the three-part item status, isn't it?

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Susan Kimball: Okay…

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Susan Kimball: Well, we already know that certain item statuses cannot be checked out.

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Susan Kimball: Pretty fun.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, this is… this is customized item statuses.

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Susan Kimball: No. Can we just say no?

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Cornelia Awenius: But it isn't… this…

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Thomas Trutt: Is he…

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Cornelia Awenius: Is this something already done? Like, for some item statuses, you get a modal that this is declared lost, and you can check it

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Cornelia Awenius: When you check it in? Or is that what it means?

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Susan Kimball: No, look, it's saying it wants to customize.

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Susan Kimball: different item statuses behave at my library. I want it to be special.

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Susan Kimball: But I think that… isn't that opposite the whole definition of the item status?

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Susan Kimball: That's what loan types are for! Do I sound like a broken record? No.

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Thomas Trutt: You are correct.

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Cornelia Awenius: No, I mean, I get the use case.

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Susan Kimball: I do understand the use case, but again, you should have a loan type that is restricted.

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Susan Kimball: Or whatever, you don't have to call it restricted, but… Non-circulating, or… .

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Cornelia Awenius: Because that is what…

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Susan Kimball: That is how circulation rules and loan types are designed to work, not item statuses.

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Cornelia Awenius: Though, we've drawn…

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Cornelia Awenius: I would argue that withdrawn should not… that you should not have to change the loan type on withdrawn items, and that they should not check out without a warning, but yeah, it's.

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Susan Kimball: Right, but that is a… but… oops, I didn't mean to edit that. That should be, though, a…

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Susan Kimball: I mean, we could argue that that's a function, and all withdrawn item statuses should function that way, not that…

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Susan Kimball: Is… because what this sounds like it's doing is that it's saying, we want to do something other than what the item status is designed by the system to do.

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Susan Kimball: I would agree with you that withdrawn should not circulate, and maybe it doesn't. I don't…

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Cornelia Awenius: Maybe it was changed at some time.

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Susan Kimball: It does say it allows checkout with a warning, so maybe, I don't know.

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Cornelia Awenius: I'm not sure.

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Susan Kimball: Right. But I still don't know whether or not I would agree that we should be able to customize…

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Susan Kimball: the behavior.

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Scott Peterson: I would agree on this. I think it may make more problems than it's solve. This seems like a holdover for some of our Sierra libraries relied on statuses.

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Scott Peterson: And that was okay if it was never checked out, but the same thing, if somebody checked out, overrode it, the status defaults back to available, and I have to remember to change it back to the status to check it back in. And it's much simpler just to resolve that behavior with the loan rules rather than by statuses.

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Susan Kimball: Doesn't this sound redundant, Scott, to what we were talking about, like, just a few weeks ago?

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Scott Peterson: Yeah, it does.

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Susan Kimball: Aaron?

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Erin Weller: I think this might go back… I guess I don't know how old this ticket is, but we…

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Erin Weller: at MSU, we were using restricted status.

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Erin Weller: For our non-circulating items, and it was causing problems, because when you check them in, the…

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Erin Weller: the status clears and becomes available, but the reason we did that had to do with EDS. Like, we had to do it that way

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Erin Weller: we couldn't use a loan rule, but it's since been fixed. So just recently, like, 2 weeks ago, we went through and we are no longer using restricted status.

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Erin Weller: Everything with a restricted status is now available, and we have a loan type that is non-circulating.

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Erin Weller: But the reason we did that was because of the EDS problem. So…

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Erin Weller: Yeah. Since that's been resolved, we've been able to change

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Erin Weller: Our workflow to match what it really should be.

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Susan Kimball: Oh, that's great. It was… you're right, Erin, it was a restriction on what could be displayed in EDS. And if you wanted the… that sort of loan type to display, it did not. So you had to… but, as you say, the status was showing.

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Susan Kimball: So, now you have the option of including the loan type. That's great.

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Susan Kimball: So… Are folks good with proposing that this get closed as… not… No longer a viable… Option.

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Thomas Trutt: I would say mark it as, do it, mark as close, because, like, again.

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Thomas Trutt: Why did I want to say Deborah? Oh my god, my brain is fried today. Laura and I was going to talk about pain points and inventory around, the three-part item status, but the other one I was talking about was item statuses in general, and what sort of customization we do need, and what people expect, so…

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Thomas Trutt: It's all gonna be a new work.

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Susan Kimball: Okay.

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Susan Kimball: Alright.

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Susan Kimball: And we will have a chance… other people will have a chance to look at.

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Thomas Trutt: Our closure, our proposed closures, which…

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Susan Kimball: I need to send those out soon. We have… we're gonna have a chunk, because I don't think I've sent out the Valeris ones yet.

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Susan Kimball: Alright, record scans in check-in app, even if check-in is not confirmed.

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Susan Kimball: be scanned in…

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Susan Kimball: Okay.

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Thomas Trutt: Why?

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Susan Kimball: Why? No, right. So you want to log that a…

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Susan Kimball: You want to log that a barcode was scanned, even if no transaction takes place.

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Susan Kimball: I… This seems… hmm… This seems really, not only just really hard to execute on, but

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Susan Kimball: again, why? I'm sort of thinking…

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Thomas Trutt: it would be a UI-only solution, more than likely. Like, you would have to… you could capture the item information and put it into the table on the UI, but once that UI is closed, it's gone.

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Thomas Trutt: But I… I don't… I'm not sure why. Like,

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Thomas Trutt: I'm not sure how this would be useful.

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Anja Kakau | VZG: That is exactly my question. So, why is there any use case in there? Why this might be useful? Because I think of dozens and dozens and dozens of entries in the circle, giving me no

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Anja Kakau | VZG: Creating a lot of data load.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah.

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Anja Kakau | VZG: So what's… what's the use case for this kind of…

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Cornelia Awenius: Off record. It probably doesn't happen often.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah. Katie?

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Cornelia Awenius: Yep.

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Katie Rahman: So I… it's… I think it's either maybe they… their staff clicked cancel a lot, or some kind of related claims returned.

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Katie Rahman: Eat type thing, but that way they can…

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Katie Rahman: If they get a claims return item, they can verify whether or not the item was just scanned, but cancel was actually

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Katie Rahman: didn't hit instead of confirm. That's the only thing I can think of. That's kind of far-fetched, but…

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Susan Kimball: No, I don't think it's far-fetched. I think that's definitely a possibility, it's just the question is, like.

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Susan Kimball: we just assume something like that might have happened, or whatever. Like, I don't know. I don't know how you'd be able to capture all of these.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, I was gonna say, along the lines of what Katie said, the only thing that popped in my head was catching, like, a circulation student that's, for some reason, hitting cancel instead of accept, because they're not paying attention. And you can be like, oh, okay, well, you keep hitting enter, but you're not actually looking at the screen. Right.

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Cornelia Awenius: Yeah, or, like, when multipodal is the first example, like, when the patron didn't bring all pieces and just sent them back.

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Cornelia Awenius: And just to capture how often that happens, or whatever.

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Cornelia Awenius: I mean, I could see it being useful in… in a way, but, no.

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Susan Kimball: I just don't know how you would keep track of it, because Tom's right, if it doesn't go through… I mean, I guess the barcode does have to get sent.

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Susan Kimball: from the UI, because otherwise you wouldn't get the modal back, right?

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Thomas Trutt: But…

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Susan Kimball: I don't know.

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Thomas Trutt: I think…

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Thomas Trutt: I think the flow for check-in by barcode is that there's a pre-flight that does a check to see if there's any blocks, or if there's any pop-ups, and then after that's cleared, then it does check-in by barcode, which is the actual action that checks it in. So the first one is actually just pulling item information.

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Susan Kimball: Right.

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Thomas Trutt: But, yeah.

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Thomas Trutt: I mean, it's possible to do this, if people want it, I just…

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Susan Kimball: It wouldn't…

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Cornelia Awenius: I start to see priority. No, I start to see the reason behind it. Yeah.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, I could see the reason behind it, too, but I think that…

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Susan Kimball: there are training opportunities to make that possible. Katie?

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Katie Rahman: Okay, I think I might actually have a use case from our institution. One of our campuses, their check-ins were not being recorded.

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Katie Rahman: at one point, it's just, like, they were saying they were checking in, but it wasn't showing up in the circulation log. I think we ended up restarting the circulation module, and everything was a-okay, but I don't know, wonder if something like that was happening to this institution.

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Susan Kimball: And so they just…

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Katie Rahman: Wanted a way to track things.

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Thomas Trutt: Gotcha. It's a possibility.

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Thomas Trutt: I mean, the other one, though, too, is they… they might have wanted a… I could see another

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Thomas Trutt: Kind of half use case to this is circulation statistics.

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Thomas Trutt: Because you're still performing an action at the desk, you're still using up staff time, but there's no transaction currently stored, and if you were to store things of this nature, you could show, oh yeah, look, there's 50 other transactions that happened that were canceled because the patron changed their mind. But yeah.

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Scott Peterson: Well, I think it would be helpful if it was paired with an action, so that if it was scanned, you knew it'd actually record the check as opposed to just scanned it and nothing happened. Otherwise, you would have dozens or even hundreds of scans. We have to go through and verify each one to confirm that there was an action associated with it.

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Susan Kimball: Right, and presumably, it would scan… if you're adding it to the CERC log, it would…

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Susan Kimball: be added twice. Like, oh, this got scanned? Oh, this got checked in.

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Susan Kimball: Like, every single barcode scan would be a huge amount of data to capture.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah.

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Susan Kimball: I mean, yeah, it would allow you to say.

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Susan Kimball: Yes, this item was touched, and we physically had it here, maybe.

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Susan Kimball: So I could see some use cases there, I'm just not sure how… to how…

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Susan Kimball: If it's worth it to actually develop.

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Susan Kimball: to operationalize. Because it says in the list of things that it would have an effect, it would add it to the CERC log.

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Susan Kimball: The loan details may be, like, maybe it's a…

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Susan Kimball: Action on that… on the loan table of… or the loan detail table.

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Susan Kimball: of transactions related to the loan, or… and then update last check-in date on the item record. It wouldn't do that, because it's not checking… it shouldn't do that. Yeah, Jacob.

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Jacob Dudley: Is it possible to just record the cancellation without recording the scan?

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Susan Kimball: Mmm…

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Jacob Dudley: You would have… you would just see that there was a cancellation, but…

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Susan Kimball: Maybe, because that cancellation… Would be an action, and it would be associated with that barcode.

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Thomas Trutt: That's not a bad…

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Susan Kimball: Way to think about it.

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Thomas Trutt: This conversation is really reminding me of that decluttering video I watched last night.

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Susan Kimball: It was funny, because the main point of the video was, is like, when you're decluttering your house, you're supposed to do a gut reaction, and whatever your gut reaction is, is what you do with it. She… because she was like, if you really think about it, you can justify keeping anything.

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Thomas Trutt: Totally. Oh, that is totally true. Yes.

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Susan Kimball: Alright, anybody want to go to bat for keeping this?

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Anja Kakau | VZG: My take on this is really, is it worth this? We would have to spend a lot of time in the sense of, for example, exactly this, please do not update the last check-in date, because then I would assume, in troubleshooting, that the modal was confirmed, the last check-in was successful, and all three pieces must have been there!

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Susan Kimball: Right.

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Anja Kakau | VZG: So it would have been an enormous amount of work, and…

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Anja Kakau | VZG: Is it worth it? And my gut reaction that the cluttering is perfectly fitting here is, no, I'd rather spend my time on other things.

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Susan Kimball: Right.

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Thomas Trutt: But that's, yeah, that's…

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Anja Kakau | VZG: my gut reaction.

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Susan Kimball: I'm with you also, Anya.

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Scott Peterson: I assume you could…

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Susan Kimball: Nuke it. Nuclear option for that.

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Susan Kimball: I mean, again, somebody can speak up and say, I want to keep it when we send out the list of proposed

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Susan Kimball: We're just recommending.

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Anja Kakau | VZG: then that person will get the task of putting it into refinement and supplying the appropriate use cases. Can we make that a prerequisite for voting, for keeping it?

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Susan Kimball: I… well, I… if you really want it, it seems like no one else is going to refine it, so…

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Susan Kimball: Yes, I think that makes sense.

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Susan Kimball: Alright, option to retain items last borrower even after anonymization. I know people that are.

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Thomas Trutt: No, no, no, no, kill it, kill it. Kill it, kill it, kill it! What's the point of a nomination?

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Susan Kimball: Well…

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Cornelia Awenius: Yes, I totally agree.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, I think…

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Cornelia Awenius: Also, charging a patron months and years after check-in? No, that's crazy.

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Thomas Trutt: I understand this, and trust me, we've been burned by this. Like, you go to check out a book, you open it up, and it looks like somebody threw, paint in it because they used so many highlighters on the thing.

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Susan Kimball: Right.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, you can.

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Susan Kimball: They confirmed that that was the last person, right? Like, there's no…

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Thomas Trutt: Exactly.

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Susan Kimball: There's a way to even confirm.

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Susan Kimball: I am… I mean, I know there are use cases for this, it… but again, it does…

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Susan Kimball: It defeats the purpose of anonymization in many cases.

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Susan Kimball: And I do think…

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Susan Kimball: I think what this allows is when you have people who are very much at your institution who are pushing against

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Susan Kimball: short-term… anonymization.

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Susan Kimball: You can say, well, this feature would allow you to, in these cases where you're like, oh, it didn't have this piece returned, whatever.

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Thomas Trutt: Yes.

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Susan Kimball: But it really does put the onus on the check-in moment to…

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Thomas Trutt: Yes.

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Susan Kimball: Make sure it has all the pieces.

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Thomas Trutt: The other one.

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Susan Kimball: destroyed.

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Thomas Trutt: Sorry, go ahead, Robert.

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Robert Heaton: I just want to mention, from the perspective of working with libraries new to Folio, this comes up very often. I think Sierra and Voyager at least have this, and like, well, wait a minute, we rely on that. I don't know that any of the libraries have really

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Robert Heaton: been too put out by having to kind of compromise and determine how they're going to do it in folio, but I will say it.

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Robert Heaton: Definitely a carryover from other systems.

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Robert Heaton: Which may not be a justification for it, but I do hear about it a lot.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah.

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Cornelia Awenius: There are…

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Thomas Trutt: There also might be legal consequences. Oh, sorry.

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Cornelia Awenius: Just adjust anonymization settings to a period when you're still comfortable charging someone, which is not months and years after you discover a damage.

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Susan Kimball: Right.

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Steve Strohl | MOBIUS: Let's make everyone happy, and let's record the name J.Doe as the last Person who checked it out.

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Susan Kimball: I love it. I love it.

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Thomas Trutt: They do this.

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Susan Kimball: They're gonna be really upset when they get that notice.

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Susan Kimball: Alright, yeah, I think the… I think… that…

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Susan Kimball: I think it would also be hard to…

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Susan Kimball: How would you exactly talk about anonymization on your

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00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:19.809
Susan Kimball: You know, on your policy pages, when you're, like, fully anonymized, and then… But not really.

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Susan Kimball: Not unless you were the… but not if you were the last person, because that's not anonymized indefinitely.

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Robert Heaton: I mean, I don't know if you could prevent this, like, on the API side, but you could make it not searchable, so it's like, oh, let me check this patron's…

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Robert Heaton: barcode to check everything that they were the last borrower on, right? If you can just say, only if I pull up an item, then I can see who that borrower was. That is a semblance of that anonymization.

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Susan Kimball: True, except that if subpoenaed, that data is stored. If the data is stored, it is findable, right? So that would be the counter-argument to that. I totally agree with you, Robert. I think that that is…

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Susan Kimball: it is… it makes it harder. It's not like somebody could walk in the door and say, tell me everything this person borrowed, but it is not in the event

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Susan Kimball: I mean, the whole Patriot Act, in the United States, the whole point of anonymization was so libraries could not

549
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Susan Kimball: Did not have the data to supply in any way to agents that came.

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Thomas Trutt: Does anyone else find the name of that act very,

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Thomas Trutt: Not sarcastic, what's a good word?

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Susan Kimball: I know what you're saying, Tom, and yes. Yeah.

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00:55:36.720 --> 00:55:37.580
Thomas Trutt: But yeah, you're right.

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Susan Kimball: Yes, and it used to be, like.

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00:55:40.080 --> 00:55:43.919
Susan Kimball: It used to feel so long ago, and now it feels like it's…

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Thomas Trutt: right back at us.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah. And this is also a reason why we're actually running manuscripts against MetaDB, is to get rid of this information.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah.

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Susan Kimball: If you don't have it, you can share it.

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Thomas Trutt: Exactly.

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Susan Kimball: And people don't have to anonymize, right? Like, there's… there are lots of options that people can use.

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Susan Kimball: So… Where are we at with this one?

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Thomas Trutt: I think the consensus is, is close it.

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Susan Kimball: Is every…

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Cornelia Awenius: Already marked it closed.

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Susan Kimball: Okay. Alright, again, others can speak up if they really feel like they want it.

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Susan Kimball: And it would have to be optional, I think.

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Thomas Trutt: you know.

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Susan Kimball: So…

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Cornelia Awenius: Definitely.

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Susan Kimball: Alright, it is 11.54, let's do this, make this the last… one, although…

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Susan Kimball: Don't we already… didn't this already get developed? I thought this was already in development.

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Thomas Trutt: This is printing.

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Susan Kimball: a single… Pull slip.

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Thomas Trutt: I think… I feel like this is probably… why did Darcy… Darcy… Darcy doesn't work at Cornell anymore, she left, which was sad.

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Susan Kimball: Long, long since, but she did a lot of work.

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Thomas Trutt: I think this was probably workarounds for, library technical services, where they wouldn't have to use the check-in app.

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Thomas Trutt: for that they could print slips directly from inventory, because the use case is weird. We… you're right, there is already an option in requests where you can print individual page slips.

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Thomas Trutt: But this is also mentioning, like, in the inventory screen, you can print a slip from there, or transit slips, and yeah, this feels like a workaround for library technical services, so they don't have to use a check-in app.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, but it… If you have a slip for transit, it should be… a,

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Susan Kimball: It should actually be in transit.

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Thomas Trutt: Exactly.

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Susan Kimball: Right? Which, in order to do that, you have to have it. So, I guess the thing I thought had already been developed was that

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Susan Kimball: Pick slips.

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Susan Kimball: were… I definitely saw it, whether it was in… Bugfest, or…

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Cornelia Awenius: Yeah. Nathan Ramson's, yeah.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah. Is it available now?

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Erin Weller: I'm looking right now, I'm in Sunflower, and…

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Erin Weller: There is a line that says print selected pick slips, but it's grayed out, so it's, like, it's not quite ready, maybe?

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Susan Kimball: Do you have to check something off there, Aaron?

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Cornelia Awenius: You have to, like, check up…

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Susan Kimball: Select at least one, and then it becomes active?

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Erin Weller: I did do that, and it still… it didn't make a change, so…

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Cornelia Awenius: Okay.

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Erin Weller: It's a bit… Hang on, maybe this… okay, never mind. So what there is now, there is a column that says single print.

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Erin Weller: And there is a button in that column that says print, but that is also grayed out, so I can't do anything with it. So it looks like they're working on it.

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Thomas Trutt: I think you have to turn it on.

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Susan Kimball: I wonder if it's a permission.

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Cornelia Awenius: I think, yeah, might be a permission. I think this was ready for Remsens, I did a UAT on this, I'm pretty sure.

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Olga: work.

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Erin Weller: to investigate, turning that on.

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Robert Heaton: I think this was where I was confused about the pickup service point versus the item location service point, and…

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Robert Heaton: If you're… you might have a filtered list, but it will only print ones.

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Robert Heaton: That have one of those?

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Robert Heaton: features, I… I may be confused about it, though.

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Susan Kimball: Oh, I think you might be talking about just the… are you talking about just the regular, when you print pix slips, which one it's use… what it's printing for, Robert?

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Robert Heaton: I mean, maybe, but I thought… I thought the same principle applied, because you could… you could create a filter, but you couldn't do things based on the filter, you had to do it based on…

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Robert Heaton: Your actual service point, but…

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Susan Kimball: Oh, gotcha.

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Olga: we use.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, I think it's designed to print just a single pixlip, however you got the request up on your screen, it's designed to be able to print just that.

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Susan Kimball: Pixlip. Sorry, Olga, go ahead.

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Olga: We started using it, in Ramson's. It does work, but it has a bug. And, sometimes it doesn't work. We did have opened a ticket for that.

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Olga: We opened the ticket for that, and I don't remember… I don't think it's fixed yet, but in general, it works.

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Susan Kimball: Right. I feel like the biggest need for this has been this… the pay…

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Susan Kimball: pick slip that you can't get it to reprint. You have to print the whole… or you can design… you could, like, run your pick slip printing and just choose that one page, if you could find it. But since they're not in call number order, you can't.

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Thomas Trutt: also to get around the reprinting of slips, because if you didn't fill a page request and you print the slips from a service point, it would reprint all the old ones, and I think there's also a way of getting around that workflow, too.

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Susan Kimball: Right.

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Cornelia Awenius: And you can always reprint hold and transit slips by checking the item in, so…

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Susan Kimball: Right.

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Cornelia Awenius: There's no more need for this ticket, I think.

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Susan Kimball: Yes, let's close this one. I think we closed all but one.

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Susan Kimball: Or almost.

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Susan Kimball: There are two I have to look at at the front end.

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Cornelia Awenius: Yes, two to test, one… To be refined, and all others… It's close!

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Susan Kimball: Great job! I want you grouped back. Next two weeks, same team, come back. We're gonna…

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Susan Kimball: Closing tickets! It's amazing.

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Susan Kimball: Oh, Katie, did you see Aaron's message about which, which require… or which permission slash capability it is to… that needs to be changed?

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Katie Rahman: Yeah, we turned it on in Ramson, so…

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Susan Kimball: Well, if you know the… but if you know the permission, we can translate that with the… the ICANN has permissions.

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Katie Rahman: beef.

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Susan Kimball: function, there's a way to translate it. If you put the permission in there, if you find it, I can… or if you send it to me on Slack, I can translate it and send it out.

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Thomas Trutt: I think the setting is under Circulation Requests.

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Thomas Trutt: And then view print details. I think that's it.

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Thomas Trutt: Or that's the setting to turn it on. I'm not sure about the… the rule, though.

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Susan Kimball: Oh, you think there's a turn-on and a capability? Like a…

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Susan Kimball: a setting… what did you say the setting was, Tom?

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Thomas Trutt: It's under circulation… hold on, I just opened another window. Under circulation, under requests, there's a few different ones. There's title level requests, which you can turn on and off, print hold requests, and then view print details, which I think is a bad name if that is it.

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Thomas Trutt: But the only option under there is Enable View Print Details, parentheses, pick slips.

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Thomas Trutt: So my guess is that is the… Functionality to turn it on.

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Erin Weller: So I have that selected.

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Katie Rahman: Hmm. Okay.

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Thomas Trutt: So it has to be…

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Katie Rahman: Amazing.

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Susan Kimball: playing around with it. Okay.

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Katie Rahman: I'll, I'll, email all… messaged you on Slack when I… oh, sorry, it was a while ago.

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Susan Kimball: No, it's fine, and like I said, if you find the permission, we can translate it to the capability set.

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Susan Kimball: So…

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Katie Rahman: Okay.

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Susan Kimball: Alright, thanks, everyone!

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Thomas Trutt: There it is. It looks like it's under Application App Platform Complete, UI Circulation Settings, Request Prints… no, never mind. I was wrong. Stop listening.

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Erin Weller: Thanks for listening to Tom. Thanks so much.

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Erin Weller: That hurts.

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Susan Kimball: Yeah, Katie, if you find it and can share it, that would be fantastic, and we'll figure it out.

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Susan Kimball: Alright.

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Thomas Trutt: Take care.

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Susan Kimball: Take care, everyone. Thank you.

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Anja Kakau | VZG: We'll see you Monday.

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Scott Peterson: Have a good day. Bye.

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Cornelia Awenius: Bye.