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jana: Hello!

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Huff, Jeremy T: Howdy, Anna.

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jana: Hello. Hello. How are you, Jeremy?

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Huff, Jeremy T: Oh, I'm okay. I'm doing alright.

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jana: Okay.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah, I, I got all this non-folio stuff going on, do y'all remember that?

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jana: Some of it, yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Every time it pops up, and it's, like, something I have to deal with, I'm like, really? This is…

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Huff, Jeremy T: This is still up there.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah, exactly.

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Huff, Jeremy T: How about you guys? How are y'all?

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jana: Damn.

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jana: Enjoying the spring weather.

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jana: Although today it's raining.

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Thomas Trutt: New York is in the middle of its, fall-spring.

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Thomas Trutt: Which means that you get teased. It's like, how some people will tease a dog with a toy or a treat. New York does the same thing with the weather, so… you get, like, one or two days of nice weather, it's nice and sunny, it's warm, and then it snows.

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jana: Yeah, no.

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Thomas Trutt: Where's the book.

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jana: It's supposed to be minus 1 degree here tomorrow, so…

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Huff, Jeremy T: What?

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jana: That's… I mean, and two days ago, it was, like, 17 degrees, so it's really going up and down. I know what you're talking about, Tom. So…

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Thomas Trutt: This is why, as soon as humanly possible, I am moving as south as possible.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I know, I know this big institution down in Texas that uses folio, so…

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, actually, Anne is trying to talk me into moving to, where is she? Houston. Yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: You know?

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Thomas Trutt: Sure!

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Huff, Jeremy T: Texas is a crazy place, man.

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Thomas Trutt: I actually have a, cousin, him and his family live in, Oh, where is it?

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Thomas Trutt: I just looked this up.

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Thomas Trutt: It's not Houston. I can't remember where they are right now.

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Thomas Trutt: It's one of the large cities, but I can't remember which one it is.

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Thomas Trutt: But yeah.

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Thomas Trutt: That's kind of funny. But yeah, they moved from Pennsylvania down there. We're actually looking at, right now, Orlando. I have one or two people that I know that live in the Orlando area.

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Thomas Trutt: And my job is, right now, pretty much 100% remote anyway, so… Like, it's…

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Thomas Trutt: I sit in my… I sit in my dark room all day. But me and my spouse are both Disney freaks, so we'd be close to Disney World.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah.

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Thomas Trutt: I mean, you guys have less humidity, though.

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Thomas Trutt: We do get the ice storms every once in a while.

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Huff, Jeremy T: You know, once a decade.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah. But there's always, Germany. Ever since our WolfCon trip, I was like, I don't know, I think this might be the place to be.

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jana: Wow. What made you think that?

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Huff, Jeremy T: You guys got it together. The… well, I mean, I don't know how Representative Hamburg is of everything else, but the… I just thought the… like, the whole transportation thing that you guys got going on is so much better than anything I've seen in the U.S.

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jana: Well, we have a lot less ground to cover.

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Thomas Trutt: that…

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jana: But I… but I think it's… it's… it's reasonable. But I visited Japan two years ago, and that is… they've got it figured out. Norwei. No. Well…

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Thomas Trutt: Europe in general, public transportation is fairly solid. Like, it's, like, everyone uses it instead of,

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Thomas Trutt: Cars and that, but…

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Thomas Trutt: Actually, if I… my… unfortunately, my… I'm sure my aunt has passed away now. If my aunt and that was still alive, I would consider Germany too, but… yeah.

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Thomas Trutt: She offered to refer me to come over and stay in her hotel at one point in time, but we never did.

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jana: Whoa.

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jana: Well, it is…

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jana: I don't know. I think we all got our problems, right? So… but for transportation, it's really reasonable, yeah, yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Well, plus, one of the cool things, from my perspective of Europe, just in general, is that if you like history, it's the place to be. Like, if you like Western history, you're not too far from all of it.

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jana: True, yeah, it's true.

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Thomas Trutt: For me, the plus thing with Europe is you have Disneyland Paris, Disneyland Hong Kong, Tokyo, and Japan, and they're either a train ride or a fall and Shanghai, and they're either a train ride or a short flight away.

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jana: I wouldn't consider, Tokyo or Shanghai to be a short flight away from… from Europe, really, really.

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Thomas Trutt: Sure!

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Thomas Trutt: Or maybe not, it depends. Maybe, maybe, well…

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Huff, Jeremy T: If you're in California, I think you could probably get to Tokyo at about the same time.

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Huff, Jeremy T: time, I think. I don't know, though.

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jana: We had a flight for, it was, 14 hours or something, so… to Tokyo.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah, that sounds… that sounds about right from… from our… West Coast.

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Thomas Trutt: Hmm.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah. It's a… it's a long… It's a big ol' world.

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Thomas Trutt: What happened to supersonic jets? Where'd they go?

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jana: Oh, they, they failed miserably.

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jana: Since they all fell from the sky, right? The Concord and everyone? I mean that.

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Huff, Jeremy T: It's a gamble. Get there fast, or not at all.

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jana: I mean… Oh, wow.

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Thomas Trutt: That's okay, my mom was, my brother-in-law wanted her to go over, and his family wanted to go over and visit them in England, and she refused to fly, so the only way she would go would be a transatlantic cruise, and I'm just like, you do realize that you'll be spending about $4,000 or $5,000 on a cruise, and you'll be spending about a week

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Thomas Trutt: to two weeks transversing the ocean, and I say, and you can't leave from Ithaca, you have to drive to New York City, or you have to drive down to Florida, or something of that nature to get one of those cruises. I'm fine with that.

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jana: And she did that! She did that.

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Thomas Trutt: No, no, she just said she was going to, she never did. The furthest my parents ever traveled was… actually, I take that back, they did take a cruise once. They went… they drove to New York City, and they took a cruise, down to the Bahamas. But that was the only time they ever left the country.

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Thomas Trutt: They never left the country.

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jana: I, I, I never, I, I…

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jana: I don't like cruises so much, but I've never been on one, so… I can just not imagine being trapped on a boat. It doesn't… it feels like…

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Huff, Jeremy T: It feels like being in a hotel, or a resort, really, you know, so it doesn't necessarily feel like a boat, and if you have enough stops, you know, if the stops are playing close enough, it's kind of… it really feels like being in a hotel where every time you go out the door, you're in a different city.

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jana: Okay, that… that sounds really nice, then. Yeah.

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Thomas Trutt: They're cool.

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Huff, Jeremy T: As long as you don't think about how much it's costing you, then…

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Thomas Trutt: True.

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jana: Yeah, and, and being, being in Lisbon and, and other, in, in Madeira, do you know the, the… oh, that's…

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jana: I saw the impact that these cruise ships make.

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jana: And I couldn't imagine… Going then, after that, because that… and it's… but… but… A bit… but horrible.

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jana: Yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: nerve.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Also, I mean, are you talking about, like, a physical impact, or, like, an economic impact? Because they also have a big economic impact on the cities that they stop in.

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jana: True, and that might be good for a while, but I can see that the overtourism and the environmental impact they make is really not very…

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jana: I don't know, how do you call it the… a long-lasting one? Yeah. Yeah, so…

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jana: It's easier for me to go by… I mean, I'm… but I… I can leave my country in 2 or 4 hours, so that's not a problem. I really am privileged like that, but I… and I can go by train as well, so that's nice.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah. Yeah.

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Thomas Trutt: It depends also, too, which cruises you do. So there's the big ones, like Virgin Viking.

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Thomas Trutt: Royal Caribbean, all those, which are the massive, massive ships. And right now, like, Carnival and Princess are in this battle of who has the biggest boats. And some of their boats, one or two of their boats are literally… if you take a standard cruise ship and weld two of them side by side.

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Thomas Trutt: that's one of their boats. It's… they're insane.

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Thomas Trutt: But there are smaller ones,

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Thomas Trutt: Shoot, I misresses right on the top of my tongue.

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Thomas Trutt: they're a little bit more expensive, they usually don't have children on them, but they're, like, river cruises, and they're a lot smaller boat. They only have, like, 30 rooms on them, 20, 30 rooms, so the physical impact on them going up and down these rivers and that is a lot less than these massive cruise ships.

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Thomas Trutt: I can't remember what the one name of the company is. They do a ton of them. They're actually pretty good.

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Thomas Trutt: But yeah. I was on one once, it's not bad. If you're at sea for 5 days or more, you end up going a little stir-crazy if you don't gamble or drink.

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jana: I mean, that could be also a fun holiday.

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Huff, Jeremy T: If you don't gamble or drink, I'm not really sure what the point is.

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, I really don't do either, so…

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Thomas Trutt: You'd wander around the boat and look at everything.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I mean, they have good food, I guess. That, you know, there's… there's that, but…

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jana: That's nice, too.

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Thomas Trutt: Virgin is interesting, because they're an adult-only cruise, and they have a lot better food variety than the other ones.

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jana: I can imagine that.

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Thomas Trutt: But, yeah.

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Thomas Trutt: That's another plus with Florida, is there's 3 massive ports, so if I decide to go on a cruise, I can either go to Miami, Fort Lauderdale, or right out of Orlando.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Can y'all see my screen?

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jana: Yes.

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Thomas Trutt: I'm gonna have to do work.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah. Maybe, maybe not a lot. Without Charlotte and Martin, I thought maybe we could just update our timeline, since we've blown past so many of the dates, and maybe put some more realistic stuff down.

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Huff, Jeremy T: But,

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah, I… I don't know, I… I was… I'm… if I'm being totally honest, I'm not super prepared to do a ton of work on this stuff this morning, but this seemed like something that could probably get knocked out.

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Huff, Jeremy T: So, the first thing… That we're supposed to have done.

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Huff, Jeremy T: a few weeks back, was present the minimally viable DIP proposal to the PC for approval.

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Huff, Jeremy T: And we did end up pushing this…

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Huff, Jeremy T: So, I'm wondering… I think we could probably change this in this document, but just thinking about the calendar, let me actually pull up a calendar so I know what I'm talking about. Next week, there are no PC meetings.

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Huff, Jeremy T: So… We're pretty close to having something to turn over to them.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I don't know if you all, Jana, in Germany.

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Huff, Jeremy T: What are y'all's vacations like next, next week?

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jana: So I have, Friday off. Okay. And then the week after, I have… I am on vacation.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Okay.

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jana: But other than that, I'm free.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Okay. So you're on vacation the week of April 6th?

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jana: Yes.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Okay.

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jana: And then, on the Monday, there's also a public holiday. I think then Martin would also be off.

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jana: But I don't know about his holidays, but…

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Huff, Jeremy T: So, I think we have two options, then…

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Huff, Jeremy T: It seems like we could either do…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Because there's no PC meeting next week, I don't think we're gonna be prepared to present anything tomorrow.

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Huff, Jeremy T: So it seems like we could either do the 9th when you're out, or the 16th.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Do either of y'all have any strong opinions about either of those? April 9th or April 16th?

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jana: I don't have any. So if… if you want me there, I… it would be the 16th, but I'm also okay with you presenting on the 9th.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I… I kind of feel like, just to make sure we get it all wrapped up.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Maybe the more pessimistic option of the 16th would be…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Good, it would give us an extra week to get our, our, you know, make sure everything's finished.

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Huff, Jeremy T: What do you think, Thomas?

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Thomas Trutt: Yeah, I like the idea of saying April 16th.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Okay.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Cool.

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Thomas Trutt: The further we push it out, the better.

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Thomas Trutt: That way we can procrastinate.

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Huff, Jeremy T: So, I… I think once it's ready.

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Huff, Jeremy T: the PC gives us feedback, maybe we address that feedback the following week, the 23rd, which means that April 30th would be…

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Huff, Jeremy T: probably the soonest that we could go to the CC.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Hey, Charlotte.

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Charlotte Whitt: Hello! My customer meeting went super quick, so I'm happy that I can be here now.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Really quick customer meetings are either really good or really bad, in my experience.

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Charlotte Whitt: planning, NLS and, Charles and I planning, our second try run, so… Yeah. Nice.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Cool! So that sounds like then your first one must have gone pretty well, if… if the second dry run meeting was a quick one.

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Charlotte Whitt: Yeah, yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Awesome.

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Charlotte Whitt: Charles, he is a dream to work with. It's the first time I have worked so close with Charles, Ludwina, but he is, he is,

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Charlotte Whitt: is awesome.

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Huff, Jeremy T: This is, this is the Charles, that works at Index Data and lives in Chicago.

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Charlotte Whitt: Yes, yes.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Okay. Yeah, I've not worked closely with him, I've only gone out to eat with him, and I know that that's a lot of fun.

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Charlotte Whitt: Yeah, I…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Okay, so, Charlotte, we're trying to adjust our dates, since we've blown past so, so many, we're trying to get some down that, feel…

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Huff, Jeremy T: realistic, for kind of where we're at. So, we are shooting to, turn this stuff over to the PC on the 16th of April.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Just because there's no meeting next week, for the PC, at least, and we can decide whether we're going to meet. And then there are some vacations…

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Huff, Jeremy T: On the following week.

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Huff, Jeremy T: And so that would make the 16th the next…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Kind of time for us to be able to turn that over.

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Huff, Jeremy T: And then we're thinking…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Any feedback we get from the PC, we would want a week to be able to apply that to our document.

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Huff, Jeremy T: And then the following week, we can present it to the CC. So, April 30th would be…

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Huff, Jeremy T: When we could do that.

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Charlotte Whitt: So, the CC, don't they normally, meet on Mondays?

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yes. Oh, that's true.

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Charlotte Whitt: 27. Right. Yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah, you're right.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Good point.

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Huff, Jeremy T: And do we know if that's a CC meeting? I know they do, like, every other one.

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Charlotte Whitt: I can check while we talk here. Let me double check.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I appreciate it.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Alright, then the next thing we're looking at is a documented process for design…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Alright, documented process for designating folio components as community or participating to be delivered to the PC for approval.

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Huff, Jeremy T: That's feeling like, if we're doing that on the 27th.

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Huff, Jeremy T: May 11th? Or May, like, 14th, like, a couple weeks into May.

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Huff, Jeremy T: How long do we want to get that together?

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Huff, Jeremy T: 27th… We'll have the 29th and the 6th.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah, how many weeks do we want to give ourselves to try to put this together? Two or three? I would not want to do it in one.

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Charlotte Whitt: But we are trying to catch up a little bit, so maybe April 16 is… no, no, May, May 14, I should say.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Full dip process definition and roadmap to be delivered to the PC for approval. Alright, so this is how we expand beyond the minimally viable dip, and, like, some sort of roadmap for getting from there to something that's more complete.

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Huff, Jeremy T: So… I'm thinking something in June.

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Huff, Jeremy T: We… we have one done. We did do a WolfCon proposal.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Should I strike that out?

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Huff, Jeremy T: I'm gonna put a check mark beside it.

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Huff, Jeremy T: No, thank you. I was trying to remember my key combinations.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I know computers.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I feel like June 11th or June 4th would be the soonest we could… Shoot for… for that.

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Huff, Jeremy T: And then we have a recommendation for a phased rollout roadmap… roadmap. Is this for… this is for community-directed development as a whole, so, like, bringing together the component definitions and the DIP and… and PC's participation in the CDDF? Is that…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Well, do we want to do that? I mean, it would push all these dates back a bit, but do we want to do that before we bring it to the PC, get the product owner's feedback first, or after the PC?

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Huff, Jeremy T: It's the Wednesday, not the immediate Wednesday before, but a week before that. Jana's gonna be on vacation that week, but if we could find some time that week, it doesn't necessarily have to be that day.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I'll reach out to Kalila and see if that's an option. I think that if we just kind of tell them what we're thinking about, and they could give us some feedback on it, we could… we would have one Wednesday right before we present to the PC to kind of make any… any changes that we might need to make, and then…

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Huff, Jeremy T: We can show it to the PC on the 16th.

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Huff, Jeremy T: We have a… I told you I was a non-folio project, but we have an inventory app that we're… I mean, it does interface with Folio, but we're trying to do, like, a, you know, in the stack, scan, and, like, kind of do an inventory, and so we're building this little application for that.

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Huff, Jeremy T: And it's behind schedule, and the person I'm building it for is, like, a very aggressive, kind of get-stuff-done type of person. It's not the type of person that you want to not deliver the product to on time.

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Huff, Jeremy T: And and so she's… she's wanting it, like, a month early, and the dev team is wanting to give it to me a month late, and I'm… and I'm like, this is what it means to be a product owner. Right between those… those two extremes.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Today's the day, right? I… I totally.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Do you know, is… is Jakob going to be at WolfCon? Do you know Charlotte?

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Charlotte Whitt: No, none of us knows yet who is going, but I can… I am… I can drop Lynn and Jakob, that he is being asked for.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Well, just because I know he's been doing a lot of vibe coding, and I've been doing a lot of vibe coding, so…

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Huff, Jeremy T: V-I-B-E.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah, if he'd be interested in doing a workshop with me, that could be a lot of fun.

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Huff, Jeremy T: going to be doing a presentation for our developers at Texas A&M on vibe coding, because they… you know, they all know that they got… need to, you know, kind of look into how AI can impact the development process, but I… they've been kind of gun-shy about it.

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Huff, Jeremy T: And so, I've told them that, you know, I'm willing to kind of show them what I've learned over the last few months.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I don't need to plan out the workshop now, but yeah, Charlotte, let Jakob know that I'd be definitely interested in talking to him about that.

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Charlotte Whitt: I'm… I'm writing to him while you talk.

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Thomas Trutt: Perfect. Yep, and there's a full day and half day, so… Yeah. You could do a full-day one, but yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Well, I gotta be honest, guys, I was not prepared to talk about a whole lot more than just getting these dates sorted out.

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Huff, Jeremy T: The only other thing… maybe that we could do, and I'll share a link to this document,

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Huff, Jeremy T: Martin's left some… some comments on here, but this… this is our… no, no, this is the wrong one.

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Huff, Jeremy T: I've documented a lot of the things that we've talked about changing, in this… But…

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Huff, Jeremy T: us just to continue to read through this, maybe on our own, and leave any comments that we have for things that we feel like should be different, and then that way we can get them integrated into the document. I made a lot of these while… during our meetings, like, while we were in…

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Huff, Jeremy T: our meetings, but… Okay. So how would y'all feel about…

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Huff, Jeremy T: Taking the last half of our meeting, and it just being a working meeting, where we are able to look over the document and leave some comments on it.

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Charlotte Whitt: What, I was writing to on that Slack, so what was it you said?

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Huff, Jeremy T: to the working draft for our minimally viable dip, and I was thinking that we could just take the last half of our meeting, kind of go off on our own separate directions, and we could leave some comments on there for things that we, you know, feel like we need to change, and I'll try to get those incorporated into the document before our next meeting.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Yeah, we were… we were sufficiently ambiguous about, you know, what we were going to talk about, you know, so… because… because we don't have everything nailed down, but, you know, we will be talking about something.

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Thomas Trutt: That's completely fine. Feed loop is a lot more forgiving than OSCED is, so you should be able to go in and edit it later.

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Thomas Trutt: with your presenter portal.

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Thomas Trutt: So, I've been telling… some people have been like, well, I'm not sure if this is the end-up description, like, yeah, it's not like SCED, you don't have to send somebody an email, you can go in and edit your own stuff. So, so yeah. I thought we… I thought we did, but I was just, like, double-checking, because my brain is Swiss cheese. Yeah.

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Huff, Jeremy T: Alright, well, thank y'all so much, and, I hope the rest of your day is great. Whatever you have left of it, I guess I have a lot of it left, and, YouTube, not so much, so…

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Huff, Jeremy T: But… anyway, take it easy.

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jana: You too.

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Charlotte Whitt: Talk to you.