WEBVTT 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:41.000 Howdy, Yana. 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:48.000 Hello. How are you, Jeremy? 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:49.000 Okay. 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:58.000 Oh, I'm okay. I'm doing alright. Yeah, I, um… I got all this non-folio stuff going on. Do y'all remember that? 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:01.000 Some of it, yeah. 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:06.000 Every time it pops up, and it's, like, something I have to deal with, I'm like, really? This is… This is still a thing. 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:09.000 what's non-folio? 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:14.000 Yeah, exactly. How about you guys? How are you going? 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:24.000 Wow. Yeah, enjoying the spring weather, although today it's raining. 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:25.000 New York is in the middle of its, uh, fall-spring, which means that you get teased. 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:28.000 Yeah. 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:31.000 it's like, um… 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:45.000 Some people will tease a dog with a toy or a tree, and New York does the same thing with the weather, so… you get, like, one or two days of nice weather, it's nice and sunny, it's warm, and then it snows. 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:53.000 Yeah, I know. It's supposed to be minus one degree here tomorrow. So. 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:54.000 What? 00:02:54.000 --> 00:03:04.000 That's I mean, and 2 days ago it was like 17 degrees, so it's really going up and down. I know what you're talking about, Tom. So… 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:12.000 This is why, um, as soon as humanly possible, I am moving as south as possible. 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:20.000 Hey, uh… I know, uh, I know this big institution in Texas that uses folio. 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:26.000 Um, yeah, actually, Anne is trying to talk me into moving to, uh, Rushe, Houston. 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:29.000 I was just like, sure! 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:33.000 Yeah. You know? 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:34.000 Texas is a crazy place, man. 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:40.000 I actually have a, um, cousin, him and his family live in 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:42.000 in, um… 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:44.000 Uh, where is it? 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:47.000 I just looked this up. 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:51.000 It's not Houston. Um… 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:54.000 I can remember where they are right now. 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:56.000 It's one of the large cities, but I can't remember which one it is. 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:58.000 Um, but yeah. 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:05.000 That's kind of funny. Uh, but yeah, they moved from Pennsylvania down there. Um, we're actually looking at, right now, Orlando. 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:10.000 I have one or two people that I know that live in the Orlando area. 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:14.000 And my job is, right now, pretty much 100% remote anyway, so… 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.000 Like, it's… 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:23.000 I sit in my… I sit in my dark room all day. Um, but me and my spouse are both Disney Freaks, so… 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:28.000 We'll be close to Disney World. 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:29.000 I mean, you guys have less humidity, though. 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:30.000 Yeah. 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:35.000 You didn't get the ice storms every once in a while. 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:41.000 uh, you know, once… once a decade. 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:51.000 Yeah, but there's always, uh, Germany. Ever since our Wolfcon trip, I was like, I don't know, I think this might be the place to be. 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:54.000 Wow. What made you think that? 00:04:54.000 --> 00:05:11.000 Oh, you guys got it together, the… the… well, I mean, I don't know how Representative Hamburg is of everything else, but the… I just thought the like the whole transportation thing that you guys got going on is so much better than anything I've seen in the Us. It's it's really cool. 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:16.000 Well, we have a lot less ground to cover. I have to say. 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:17.000 This is definitely true. 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:23.000 Wow. 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:24.000 Mm-hmm. Okay. 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:30.000 But I think it's… it's reasonable. But I visited Japan 2 years ago, and that is they got it figured out, not we. No. 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:31.000 Well, yeah, yeah. 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:36.000 I mean, you're the general public… Europe and general public transportation is fairly solid. Like, it's, like, everyone uses it instead of… 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:40.000 cars in that, but… 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:45.000 Actually, if I… my… unfortunately, I'm sure my aunt has passed away now. 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:50.000 Um, if my aunt and that was still alive, I would consider Germany too, but… 00:05:50.000 --> 00:06:08.000 Yeah. She offered me to come over and stay in her hotel at one point in time, but we never did. 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:09.000 Yeah. 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:13.000 Well, well, it is, uh… I don't know. I think we all got our problems right? So… But for transportation, it's really reasonable. Yeah. 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:30.000 Yeah. Well, plus one of the cool things from my perspective of Europe, just in general, is that if you like history, it's the place to be like if you like Western history, you're not too far from all of it. 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:31.000 True, yeah, it's true. 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:36.000 I mean, for me, the plus thing with Europe is you have Disneyland Paris, Disneyland Hong Kong… 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:55.000 Tokyo and Japan under either a train riot or a fall in Shanghai, and they're either a train ride or a short flight away. 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:59.000 It's shorter than here! Well, maybe not, it depends. Maybe, maybe, well… 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:00.000 Yeah. Yeah. 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:01.000 I wouldn't consider Tokyo or Shanghai to be a short flight away from Europe, really, really. It's longer than… 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:04.000 I mean, if you're in California, I think you could probably get to Tokyo at about the same. 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:05.000 Yeah. 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:09.000 time I think. I don't know, though. 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:13.000 Well, we had to fly for it was 14 hours or something, so to Tokyo from… 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:20.000 Yeah, that sounds… that sounds about right from… from our West Coast. 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:21.000 Yeah. 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:22.000 Hmm. 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:24.000 Yeah. It's a… It's a long, it's a big old world. 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:25.000 Hello. 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:31.000 Yeah. What happened to supersonic jets? Where did they go? 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:38.000 Yeah. 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:39.000 True. 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:40.000 Oh, they… they failed miserably. Uh, since they all fell from the sky, right? The Concorde and everyone? I mean that. 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:44.000 Oh, well, that's. It's a gamble. Get there fast or not at all. 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:46.000 I mean? Oh, well. 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:57.000 That's okay, my mom was, um… my brother-in-law wanted her to go over, and his family wanted to go over and visit them in England, and she refused to fly. 00:07:57.000 --> 00:08:08.000 So, the only way she would go would be transatlantic cruise, and I'm just like, you do realize that you'll be spending about $4,000 or $5,000 on a cruise, and you'll be spending about a week 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:18.000 to two weeks transversing the ocean. And I say, and you can't leave from Ithaca, you have to drive to New York City, or you have to drive down to Florida, or something of that nature. 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:20.000 to get one of those cruises. 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:23.000 I'm fine with that. 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:24.000 And she did that. She did that. No. 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:27.000 No, no, she just said she was going to, she never did. 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:28.000 The furthest my parents ever traveled was… actually, I take that back, they did take a cruise once. They went… 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:29.000 Okay. 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:33.000 Okay. 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:36.000 They drove to New York City, and they took a cruise. 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:39.000 Um, down to the Bahamas. 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:42.000 But that's the only time they ever left the country. 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:47.000 They never left the country. 00:08:47.000 --> 00:09:11.000 I I I never I I… I don't like cruises so much, but I've never been on one, so I can just not imagine being trapped on a boat. 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:12.000 Yeah. 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:13.000 Hmm. 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:17.000 It doesn't… it feels like… it feels like being in a hotel or a resort, really, at, you know, so it doesn't necessarily feel like a boat, and if you have enough stops, um, you know, if the stops are playing close enough, it's kind of… it really feels like being in a hotel where every time you go out the door, you're in a different. 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:18.000 Yeah. 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:20.000 City. 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:21.000 Yeah, they're cool. 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:26.000 Okay, that… that sounds really nice then. 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:27.000 True. 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:28.000 As long as you don't think about how much it's costing you, then… 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:40.000 Yeah, and being in Lisbon and other in Madeira, do you know that I saw the impact that these cruise ships make. 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:45.000 and I… Couldn't imagine going then after that because that is a bit. 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:52.000 Yeah. 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:53.000 Yeah. 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:54.000 A bit horrible. Yeah. 00:09:54.000 --> 00:10:24.000 Sure. And also, I mean, are you talking about like like a physical impact or or like an economic impact? Because they also have a big economic impact on the cities that they stop in. 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:26.000 They do, yeah. 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:27.000 Yeah. The the economics of. 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:35.000 True, and that might be good for a while, but I can see that the overtourism and the environmental impact they make is really not very… Oh, I don't know, how do you call it the a long lasting one. Yeah. So that's I always thought it's easier for me to go, but I mean, I'm but I I I can leave my country in in 2 or 4 h. So that's not a problem. I really am. 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:38.000 Yeah. 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:44.000 privileged like that, but I… I can go by train as well, so that's nice. 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:45.000 Yeah. 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:46.000 It depends also, too, which cruises you do. So there's the big ones, like Virgin Viking, 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:49.000 There. Now, I can… 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:56.000 World Caribbean, all those, which are the massive, massive ships. And right now, like, Carnival and… 00:10:56.000 --> 00:11:03.000 princess, or in this battle of who has the biggest boats. And some of their boats, one or two of their boats are literally… 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:09.000 If you take a standard cruise ship and weld two of them side by side, that's one of their boats. It's… they're insane. 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:14.000 Um, but there are smaller ones, um… 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:16.000 shoot, I was just right on the top of my tongue. 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:26.000 Um, they're a little bit more expensive, they usually don't have children on them. 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:27.000 Hmm. 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:36.000 Uh, but they're like river cruises, and they're a lot smaller boat. They only have, like, 30 rooms on them, 20, 30 rooms, so the physical impact on them going up and down these rivers and that is a lot less than these massive cruise ships. 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:39.000 Um, I can't remember what the one name of the company is. 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:40.000 They do a ton of them. They're actually pretty good. 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:42.000 Hmm. 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:45.000 Uh, but yeah. As someone wants, it's not bad. 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:52.000 If you're at sea for 5 days or more, you end up going a little stir-crazy if you don't gamble or drink. 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:55.000 I mean, that could be also a fun holiday. 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:56.000 Yeah. 00:11:56.000 --> 00:12:01.000 Yeah. Yeah, if you don't gamble or drink, I'm not really sure what the what the point is. 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:04.000 Yeah, I really don't do it either, so… 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:09.000 You'd wander around the boat and look at everything. 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:14.000 I mean, they have good food, I guess, that, you know, there's… there's that, but… 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:15.000 That's nice, too. 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:22.000 Virgin is interesting, because they're an adult-only cruise, and they have a lot better food variety than, um, the other ones. 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:23.000 But, yeah. 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:24.000 Oh, I can imagine it. 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:35.000 That's another plus with Florida, is there's 3 massive ports, so if I decide to go on a cruise, I can either go to Miami, Fort Lauderdale, or right out of Orlando. 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:37.000 Nice. Yes. 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:38.000 Yep. I mean, we have to do work. 00:12:38.000 --> 00:13:07.000 Like, can y'all see my screen? Um, I'm thinking yeah maybe maybe not a lot without Charlotte and Martin, I thought maybe we could just update our timeline since we've blown past so many of the dates and maybe put some more realistic stuff down. 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:08.000 That's fine. 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:11.000 Um, but, um… Yeah, I… I don't know, I was… if I'm being totally honest, I'm not super prepared to do a ton of work on this stuff this morning, but this seemed like something we could probably get knocked out. 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:24.000 So the first thing… Now, we're supposed to have done… a few weeks back was present the minimally viable dip proposal to the PC for approval. 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:43.000 And we did end up pushing this. Um… So I'm wondering, I think we could probably change this in in this document, but just thinking about the calendar, and let me actually pull up a calendar so I know what I'm talking about. 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:55.000 Next week, there are no PC meetings. So… We're pretty close to having something to turn over to them. 00:13:55.000 --> 00:14:00.000 I don't know if you all, Yana, in Germany. 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:09.000 Um, what are y'all's vacations like next week? 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:10.000 Okay. Okay. 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:17.000 So I have, uh, Friday off, and then the week after I have… I am on vacation. But other than that I'm free. 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:23.000 Okay. So you're on vacation the week of April 6th? 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:24.000 Okay. 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:33.000 Yes. And then, uh, on the Monday, there's also a public holiday. I think that Martin would also be off. 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:36.000 But I don't know about his holidays. 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:47.000 So I think we have 2 options then. It seems like we could either do… 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:53.000 Because there's no PC meeting next week, I don't think we're going to be prepared to present anything tomorrow. 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:54.000 Hmm. 00:14:54.000 --> 00:15:00.000 Um, so it seems like we could either do the 9th when you're out, or the 16th. 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:08.000 Do either of y'all have any strong opinions about either of those? April 9th or April 16th? 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:15.000 I don't have any. So if you want me there I I it would be 16th, but I I'm also okay with you presenting on the 9th. 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:20.000 Yeah. 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:26.000 I… I kind of feel like, just to make sure we get it all wrapped up. 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:36.000 maybe the more pessimistic option of the 16th would be… Good, it would give us an extra week to get our, our, you know, make sure everything's finished. 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:37.000 Yeah, I like the idea of saying April 16th. 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:41.000 What do you think, Thomas? 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:43.000 I think the further we push it out, the better. 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:44.000 That way we can procrastinate. 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:47.000 Okay. Cool. 00:15:47.000 --> 00:16:10.000 So, I… I think once it's ready, the PC gives us feedback. Maybe we address that feedback the following week, the 23rd, which means that April 30th would be… Um… probably the soonest that we could go to the CC. 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:11.000 Hey, Charlotte! Right. 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:16.000 Hello, my customer meeting went super quick, so I'm happy that I can be here now. 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:27.000 Okay. Really quick customer meetings are either really good or really bad, in my experience. 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:33.000 We were planning NLS and Charles and I planning our second dry run. 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:34.000 Yeah. So far, yeah. 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:44.000 Nice. Well, that's cool. So that sounds like, then, your first one must have gone pretty well, if… if the second dry run meeting was a quick one. 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:50.000 Awesome. 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:51.000 Yeah. 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:57.000 Yeah. You know, Charles used a dream to work with. It's the first time I have worked so close with Charles Lidwina, but he is, uh… is awesome. 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:02.000 This is, uh, this is the Charles that works at index data and lives in Chicago. 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.000 Yes, yes. 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:09.000 Okay. Yeah, I've not worked closely with him, I've only gone out to eat with him, and I know that that's a lot of fun. 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:12.000 Yeah, I… 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:27.000 Yeah. Um, okay. So Charlotte, we're trying to adjust our dates since we've blown past so so many. We're trying to get some down that feel. 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:28.000 Hmm. 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:40.000 realistic for kind of where we're at. So, um, we are shooting to, uh, turn this stuff over to the PC on the 16th of April, um, just because there's no meeting next week. 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:52.000 Um, for the PC, at least. And we can decide whether we're going to meet. Um, and then there are some vacations… On the following week. 00:17:52.000 --> 00:18:00.000 And so that would make the 16th the next… kind of time for us to be able to turn that over. 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:01.000 Yes. 00:18:01.000 --> 00:18:18.000 And then we're thinking… Any feedback we get from the PC, we would want a week to be able to apply that to our document. And then the following week, we can present it to the CC. So April 30th would be… 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:21.000 when we could do that. 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:25.000 So the CC, don't they normally meet on Mondays? 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:26.000 So… 27. Yeah. 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:34.000 Yes. Oh, that's true. You're right. 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:41.000 Yeah, you're right. Good point. 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:46.000 And do we know if that's a CC meeting? I know they do, like, every other one. 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:51.000 I can check while we talk here. Let me double check. 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:58.000 I appreciate it. Alright, then the next thing we're looking at is a documented process for designated. 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:00.000 Jared, I have a sorry, I'm sorry. I have it. There is one at the 27th. 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:01.000 Oh, no, no, sorry. Perfect. 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:07.000 Yeah. Cool. 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:19.000 Awesome. Alright, documented process for designating folio components as community or participating to be delivered to the Pc. For approval. 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:25.000 Um… that's feeling like, if we're doing that on the 27th. 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:34.000 I don't know, what do y'all think? Maybe… May 11th, or May, like, 14th, like, a couple weeks into May? 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:41.000 How long do we want to get that together? 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:48.000 27th… We'll have the 29th and the 6th. 00:19:48.000 --> 00:20:03.000 So, it seems like the 14th or the 21st is probably… Yeah, how many weeks do we want to give ourselves to try to put this together? 2 or 3? I would not want to do it in one. 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:10.000 But we are trying to catch up a little bit. So maybe April 16 is. No, no. 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:11.000 Uh, let's see, May… Yeah, yeah. Okay. 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:15.000 Yeah, me, me, me 14 as you suggested. 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:35.000 That's true. Let's push ourselves. Um, full dip process definition and roadmap to be delivered to the PC for approval. Alright, so this is how we expand beyond the minimally viable dip, and, like, some sort of roadmap for getting from there to something that's more complete. 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:51.000 Um… So… I'm thinking something in June. 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:56.000 We have one done. We did do a WolfCon proposal. 00:20:56.000 --> 00:20:58.000 Should I strike that out? 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:01.000 Yeah. 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:09.000 Um… I'm gonna put a checkmark beside it. 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:16.000 Um… 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:19.000 I can add one in the chat for you. 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:21.000 No, thank you. I'm just trying to remember my key combinations. 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:27.000 Oh, sir. see if it works. 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:34.000 No, it doesn't work in on my Mac as in when I write. I'll get one. 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:35.000 I got it. Cool. 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:42.000 Okay. 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:51.000 I know computers. Okay. 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:52.000 Cool. 00:21:52.000 --> 00:22:08.000 Um… All right, um… So, for… Yeah, for this full DIP process, I'm thinking… I'm thinking… I mean, it's gonna take some time to kind of talk through and plan out. 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:18.000 I feel like June 11th or June 4th would be the soonest we could… shoot for… for that. 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:22.000 Do y'all have any thoughts on that? 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:26.000 I'd rather do a date that's further out and then deliver early, but… 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:30.000 So, I'm fine with it. 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:32.000 being done. 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:37.000 If that made sense with my babbling. 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:47.000 So… June 7… June 11. Yeah. Let's say Thursday. 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:55.000 And… I will be out. Index data has a teammate, but that doesn't matter. 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:22:56.000 --> 00:23:01.000 On the 11th? Um… We could push it to the 18th, I think. 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:02.000 Mm-hmm. 00:23:02.000 --> 00:23:10.000 Now, I gotta be honest, I'm feeling a little confused right now. I don't recall, so we have a full dip. 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:16.000 process definition and roadmap to be delivered to the PC for approval. 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:34.000 Uh, and then we have a recommendation for a phased rollout roadmap. Is this for… this is for community-directed development as a whole. So, like, bringing together the component definitions and the dip, and… PC's participation in the CDDF, is that? 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:39.000 Does that sound right? 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:43.000 Yeah, the same day as June 18, you think of. 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:46.000 Well, I would… I was thinking 2 weeks after that. I was thinking… July 1st, or what is that? July 2nd. 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:57.000 Okay. 00:23:57.000 --> 00:24:12.000 One of the things is that the calming week was not… I mean… Part of it is, you know, life has happened, and we've missed meetings and things like that, but also the calming week was not a thing when we first came up with the schedule, so that did, uh… 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:21.000 push things out a little bit, but… Um… Yeah, we're a little less than a month behind. 00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:44.000 Hmm. I wonder if… We somehow should have… you know, do a presentation for the product owners. 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:45.000 Yeah. 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:54.000 in which, before we kind of have it so very finished, because if they… you know, are… Then it's probably better to to have that conversation a little earlier. 00:24:54.000 --> 00:25:08.000 Well, do we want to do that? I mean, it would push all these dates back a bit, but do we want to do that before we bring it to the PC, get the product owner's feedback first, or after the PC? 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:17.000 I would be for before because their feedback is very important in this process or for this process, I guess. If they are really, as Charlotte already said, against it, then. 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:22.000 Mm-hmm. 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:28.000 We should definitely… put, um, their feedback into consideration. 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:39.000 Hmm. So maybe in between. So the. 00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:47.000 So we… in between the minimal viable dip and the. 00:25:47.000 --> 00:26:00.000 full DIP process. So we have something to present. 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:01.000 Yeah. 00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:14.000 And being, you know, having a solid presentation. And then… but listening to them so we can fine tune things before we present. 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:15.000 Yeah. 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:22.000 Because then that also makes the presentation at the PC stronger if we have got a… 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:23.000 Some feedback. 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:39.000 Is this is this kind of the timeframe that that you're thinking? So this would be the week before we present to the Pc. It's the Wednesday, not the immediate Wednesday before, but a week before that. Yana is going to be on vacation that week. 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:56.000 Um, but if we could find some time that week, it doesn't necessarily have to be that that day. Exactly. And in fact, actually, if we did something like the 7th, the 6th, or the 7th. 00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:57.000 But… but in a way, I think it should be after the 16th. 00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:01.000 Um, then we could actually talk about the feedback on two separate Wednesdays before we talk to the, um… Before we talk to the… 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:08.000 Oh, okay. Well, but if we do it after the 16th, and the PC will already have approved it. 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:13.000 Um, before we've gotten to integrate any of the product owner's feedback. 00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:20.000 Okay. Yeah, but you decide what you think. 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:27.000 I'd have to… well, we'll have to see if they're available. What kind of meetings, uh, regular meetings do product owners have? I should know, but… 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:36.000 2. Yeah, normally they meet. We meet every other week, but they have been canceled more or less all year. 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:44.000 No problem. 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:45.000 Yeah. 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:53.000 So, uh, so, uh, and I don't know if they are canceled because… they are probably canceled because everybody is crazy busy. Um, but… and maybe also a lack of topics. So if we talk with Khalila that we would like to come. 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:59.000 So let me count, because we were supposed to have a… Um… I want to see. 00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:02.000 You're supposed to have one, too. 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:03.000 Yeah. I think it got canceled. 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:12.000 We're supposed this week. Then, um, then… April the 8th is actually a normal time slot for the PO meeting. 00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:34.000 Okay. Let's… I'll reach out to Kalila and see if that's an option. I think that if we just kind of tell them what we're thinking about, and they could give us some feedback on it, we could… we would have one Wednesday right before we present to the PC to kind of make any changes that we might need to make, and then… 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:35.000 We can show it to the PC on the 16th. 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:38.000 Mm-hmm. 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:48.000 Because we will have a 15th meeting right before… That does does that seem to work? 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:49.000 In worst-case scenario, we can make AI do it. 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:50.000 Yeah. 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:55.000 Okay. So… yeah. 00:28:55.000 --> 00:29:05.000 I've been vibe coding a lot this week, and um… I mean, it works. 00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:13.000 I've been wanting to, but my brain hasn't let me get into that space. 00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:28.000 We have a… I told you I was a non-folio project, but we have an inventory app that we're… I mean, it does interface with Folio, but we're trying to do, like, a… you know, in the stack scan and, like, kind of do, uh, do an inventory, and so we're building this little application for that. 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:40.000 And it's behind schedule, and the person I'm building it for is, like, a very aggressive, kind of get-stuff-done type of person. It's not the type of person that you want to not deliver the product to on time. 00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:53.000 Yeah. 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:54.000 Yeah, exactly. 00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:56.000 And uh… and so she's wanting it, like, a month early, and the dev team is wanting to give it to me a month late, and I'm like, this is what it means to be a product owner. Right between those two extremes. 00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:04.000 Actually, would you like to do it as a workshop on vibe coding? 00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:05.000 for Wolfgang. 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:07.000 Oh! Well, today's the day, right? I I totally could do that. 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:13.000 Uh, there's a… yeah, there's a draft email going around that they're gonna extend… are extending it out to the 15th. 00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:16.000 April 15th. So, it is going out. 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:24.000 you know, is… is Jakob going to be at WolfCon? Do you know Charlotte? 00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:25.000 Okay. 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:34.000 No, none of us knows yet who is going, but I can. I am… I can drop Lynn and Jakob that he is being asked for. 00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:39.000 Well, just because I know he's been doing a lot of vibe coding. 00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:47.000 And… and I've been doing a lot of vibe coding, so… V VIBE. 00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:48.000 Yep. 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:55.000 How do you spell VIPE? Because then I can… Well, and to be… W W. 00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:56.000 Wipe coating. Yeah, okay. Let me check. 00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:06.000 be be like boy V. Yeah. Yeah, if if he'd be interested in doing a workshop with me that could be a lot of fun. 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:07.000 Yeah. Because I… 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:13.000 I think he has some other proposals too, so I think there's a big chance that he is coming. 00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:14.000 Okay. Oh, man. 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:19.000 Nice. Yeah, I was trying to talk to Jennifer into doing a workshop, because she's been doing… 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:25.000 Semi-vibe coding, uh, she's been using Copilot and Google Notebooks for 00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:26.000 writing small Python scripts, and I'm like, oh, this would be great, because… 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.000 Yeah. 00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:33.000 it kind of gives people who do not have a real coding background 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:37.000 an accessible way of getting into some coding, especially… I mean… 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:44.000 Big dev background. Uh, so I think it would actually be very, very popular. 00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:45.000 Wow, yes? 00:31:45.000 --> 00:32:05.000 So, I'm… I am I am going to be doing a presentation for our developers at Texas A&M on vibe coding because they, I, you know, they all know that they got needed, you know, kind of look into how AI can impact the development process. But I they've been kind of gun shy about it. 00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:35.000 And so I've told them that, you know, I'm willing to kind of show them what I've learned over the last few months. And so… I do have a lot of ideas for how a dev shop can integrate this in a useful way, and one of the biggest things is coming up with what I'm going to call, like, a vibe coding Bible, which is basically like a payload of standards and practices that you can give to the AI at the beginning of any. 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:50.000 Yes, yes. 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.000 coding requests, which will really help it deliver an answer to you that is consistent with the practices of your team, and um… Uh, I think that that's huge for people who maybe don't have a development background that want to participate in development, so… 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:58.000 Yeah, and also, um, what SDK are you using? Are you using, um, anti-gravity, uh, 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:02.000 I think it puts his dad… 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:03.000 Okay. 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:22.000 I use Visual Studios code with the open Api. Sorry, open AI codecs plugin in it. So I don't. I've not been using copilot or. 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:23.000 Yeah. 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:39.000 Um, the Microsoft product. I use the OpenAI one, um, but… It's it's been working. I mean… I I I… I feel like I need to be a developer to do it right, you know, like, but as a developer, it really, really helps make things go faster. 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.000 I was gonna say, give, um, anti-gravity 00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:43.000 a try. Um, it's the same code base as, um, 00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:46.000 Mm-hmm. Sure. 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:50.000 Visual Studio. In fact, it uses the same plugins and everything. 00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:53.000 The only difference with it is that Google has written 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:56.000 access to Gemini directly in it. 00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:57.000 And then you can also use, uh, clogged code and anything else in it as well. 00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:01.000 Yeah. 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:10.000 Um, but their integration with at least their AI model, even the free one, is actually fairly tight, and it's a really interesting 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:15.000 It's a really interesting SDK option. 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:27.000 But yeah, I have… yeah. 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:28.000 Yeah. 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:38.000 I… it's probably pretty similar experience, but I've also used Firebase Studio, which is a Google product, so it's also Gemini integrated, um… But anyway, I don't need to plan out the workshop now, but yeah, Charlotte, let Jakob know that I'd be definitely interested in talking to him about that. 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:41.000 I am… I'm writing to him while you talk. 00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:42.000 Yep, and there's a full day and half day, so… 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:47.000 Awesome. Perfect. 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:48.000 You could deploy they want, but yeah. 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:52.000 Yeah. 00:34:52.000 --> 00:35:01.000 Well, I gotta be honest, guys, I I was not prepared to talk about a whole lot more than just getting these dates sorted out. 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:13.000 The only other thing… maybe that we could do, and I'll share a link to this document. 00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:19.000 Martin's left some comments on here, but this… this is our… no, no, this is the wrong one. 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:27.000 Yeah, here it is. Um, I've documented a lot of the things that we've talked about changing. 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:38.000 in this. Um, but, um, and I can get these changed for our, our next meeting, but in the, in the meantime. 00:35:38.000 --> 00:36:02.000 Um… if they don't want, I think it would be a good idea for… Just to continue to read through this, maybe on our own, and leave any comments that we have for things that we feel like should be different, and then that way we can get them integrated into the document. I made a lot of these while during our meetings, like, while we were in. 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:20.000 our meetings, but… Um… Okay, so how would y'all feel about… uh, taking the last half of our meeting, and it just being a working meeting, where we are able to look over the document and leave some comments on it. 00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:21.000 Everyone run away and do your own thing. 00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:25.000 Like, kind of on our own. 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:26.000 I always like those. 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:30.000 Charlotte, are y'all cool with that? Okay. Oh, yeah. 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:36.000 Yeah. I was writing to on that slack. So what the what was it? You said? 00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:42.000 Oh, I've just, uh, I was saying, um, I shared a link in the chat. 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:48.000 Okay. 00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:49.000 Oh. 00:36:49.000 --> 00:37:04.000 to the working draft for our minimally viable dip. And I was thinking that we could just take the last half of our meeting, kind of go off on our own separate directions, and we could leave some comments on there for things that we, you know, feel like we need to change, and I'll try to get those incorporated into the document before our next meeting. 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:05.000 Good plan, yes. 00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:06.000 Sorry, the presentation proposal was already entered for this, correct? 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:11.000 Awesome. 00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:17.000 We did that last meeting. 00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:18.000 That's fine. 00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:24.000 Yeah, we were… we were sufficiently ambiguous about, you know, what we were going to talk about, you know, so… because we don't have everything nailed down, but, you know, we will be talking about something. 00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:25.000 Kind of thing. 00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:32.000 That's completely fine. Feed loop is a lot more forgiving than, uh, SCED is, so you should be able to go in and edit it later on. 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:33.000 through your presenter portal. 00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:34.000 Oh, okay. Alright. 00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:45.000 Um, so I've been telling… some people have been like, well, I'm not sure if this is the end-up description. I'm like, it's not like SCED, you don't have to send somebody an email, you can go in and edit your own stuff. So, um… 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:56.000 So, yeah. I thought we… I thought we did, but I was just, like, double-checking, because my brain is Swiss cheese. 00:37:56.000 --> 00:38:10.000 All right. Well, thank you all so much, and I hope the rest of your day is great. Whatever you have left of it. I guess I have a lot of it left, and Youtube not so much, so… Um, but… anyway, take it easy. 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:16.000 Take care, everyone.