WEBVTT 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:48.000 Well, we just went live on Sunflower this morning, so that was exciting. 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:53.000 Um, and so far, so good, but… 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:54.000 No smoke. 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:59.000 I swear, the long list of things you have to do when you go live on a new upgrade is like… 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:07.000 it feels like it's getting longer, like, check these integrations, make all these… and now everybody needs to set up a new account by getting a new password. 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:11.000 I'm hoping this was just a specially hard because of the… 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:16.000 back-end change, but… 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:19.000 So no smoke pouring out of the terminals yet. 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:21.000 Not yet. 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:24.000 I can't search for course reserves, but that's the… 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:29.000 The only thing so far. I think somebody just hasn't pinged there. 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:34.000 key cloak to set up their new password on the integration account. 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:37.000 Yeah, I had, um… 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:42.000 I had all the devs go in and change their passwords, or update their passwords the morning of. 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:44.000 for all their integration, so that helped. 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:48.000 And I got a message, like, oh, I can't connect, I can't connect, from one of our… 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:50.000 staff members. 00:07:50.000 --> 00:08:00.000 I'm like, what are you trying to do? What's the username? And they gave me a username, and I'm like, um, there's no username in training, test, or production under that. I was like, are you sure? 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:08.000 I got a message from another one. Sorry, they're trying to set up a new integration, and they didn't realize they had to set up in folio first. 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:09.000 oops. 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:12.000 I was like, okay, that explains it, good. It wasn't my fault. 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:16.000 Terrific. 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:18.000 All right. 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:23.000 Well, welcome everyone. Nice to see you all. 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:29.000 Here, it is nice and sunny for the first time in a long time, and I'm not complaining. 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:31.000 We are in… 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.000 Daylight Savings Time. 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:41.000 Um, unless… and unless anybody's from British Columbia, this is a temporary situation. 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:45.000 Apparently, British Columbia has decided to… 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:50.000 Forget the US, they're waiting for the Western states to stay in daylight time, they're just going on their own, which I completely appreciate, and… 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:53.000 Yes? We did that. 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:57.000 Alright, Olga, you're in BC! I forgot! 00:08:57.000 --> 00:08:58.000 I'm so proud of you. Walk away. We can do… 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:01.000 Yeah. 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:03.000 Don't wait, because who knows when the U.S. will get connected on that. 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:13.000 Well, we got that law in 2019, so we were waiting for seven years. 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:14.000 I'm sorry, I'm sorry for my country folk. 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:18.000 Time to move on. 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:21.000 Well, I hope it goes well. 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:24.000 I have wanted to do it, although I'm never sure which… 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:25.000 time I want to stay in. 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:27.000 Yes. 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:28.000 Like, depends on what time of the year you're at. 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:32.000 Hmm. Exactly. 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:43.000 As someone who has always lived on the eastern edge of a time zone. 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:44.000 Yes. 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:45.000 DST is the way to go. But if you're on the western edge of the time zone, this is the problem, right? The time zones are very large. 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:49.000 And it really does… make a difference. 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:50.000 I think we would all adjust if we did it, though. Just pull the plug. 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:53.000 Um… one way or another. Yeah. 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:58.000 Yeah, exactly. We'd complain bitterly, but what else is new? 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:10.000 I mean, granted, we did try that in the 7… you know, for, like, 6 months in the 70s, and then just said no. 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:11.000 Well, we'll see. 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:12.000 Everybody hated it, and they all moved back. 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:15.000 Olga will have to report back sometime in the… 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:18.000 you know, December, tell us what you think. 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:29.000 Well, in other bit of trivia, Afghanistan operates on a 30-minute plus time zone, so everyone else is different by an hour. They're off by 30 minutes compared to all their neighbors. 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:32.000 That's terrible. 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:35.000 Ugh… 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:39.000 Alright, well, let's get started here at 11.05. 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:41.000 Um… 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:46.000 Uh, we have a few agenda items today. 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:53.000 I am gonna start with our most exciting news, though, which is that we are getting a new co-convener! 00:10:53.000 --> 00:11:00.000 And I am so excited to announce that Katie Rahman from the University of Missouri 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:05.000 is going to be stepping in to take over, um, for Cornelia. 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:09.000 Um, we are really, really excited, um… 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:12.000 Katie's the systems librarian at the University of Missouri, 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:17.000 And you all have been on folio since summer 2022, is that right? 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:20.000 That's the same as our timeline, so… 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:25.000 Hard to believe it's been almost 4 years. 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:29.000 And was part of the implementation team there. 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:41.000 Um, in a complex organization. So we're really happy to have her stepping in, and she will start, um, next Monday taking over some of Cornelia's things, including 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:46.000 Taking attendance, and things like that on our… on our agenda. 00:11:46.000 --> 00:12:00.000 Um, so I will… we'll hear lots more about Katie, but I want to take a moment to just thank Cornelia for all the time and energy she's given this project as a co-convener. 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:02.000 for many years. 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:09.000 And I'm so grateful for her support, helping me get organized and settled into the co-convenorship. 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:13.000 Um, when I came on last January. 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:18.000 And, um, she's graciously agreed to help us continue the… 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.000 JIRA ticket review, and… 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:29.000 Um, helping keep track of all the decisions we make in those meetings, which I appreciate. We're getting very close in that meeting to being, um… 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:32.000 to being done, I'm thinking, 2 or 3 more meetings, hopefully. 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:35.000 Fingers crossed. Um… 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:39.000 We don't want you to be stuck with that job forever, Cornelia. 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:41.000 Um… 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:49.000 So, thank you to both of you. It's really exciting to have some new energy and, um, 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:55.000 new ideas, and just a reminder that nothing that we do is set in stone here. It is entirely, um… 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:58.000 flexible, and so we can… 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:03.000 If things that we're doing now aren't working anymore, we can always think about how to make them. 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:06.000 better going forward. 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:08.000 So, um… 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:12.000 are a few things about upcoming meetings. Next, 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:19.000 Uh, this Thursday, rather, Tom, you were on for FeeFine Working Group, yes? 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:20.000 Sure. 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.000 She says, hopefully. Awesome! 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:23.000 Sure, why not? 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:28.000 Why not? Um, and then next Monday, if… 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:33.000 We don't get to the SIG description rewrite that we had started. 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:36.000 Last, uh, last month. 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:38.000 Then, which we may not have time for, 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:41.000 We will do that next Monday. 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:44.000 Unless something more urgent comes up. 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:48.000 Um, and then next Thursday, we will continue our JIRA ticket review. 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:56.000 Uh, just a reminder that calendar calming is in effect, so the last week, the last Monday of March, and the first 00:13:56.000 --> 00:14:00.000 Thursday of April will be part of that week. 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:06.000 Um… yeah, I think that's it for calendaring. 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:08.000 Anything… 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:17.000 else announcement-wise. 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:19.000 Okay, um… 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:24.000 So, our first agenda item 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:25.000 is to, um… 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:28.000 talk about WolfCon. 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:38.000 So, WolfCon is coming up in… at a very terrible time, unfortunately. End of August, beginning of September, it's literally 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:42.000 like, over the, whatever, the 29th, the 1st, or something like that. 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:45.000 Um, which is not ideal for some… 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:51.000 higher ed institutions, but that's what it is. But it will be in Prague. 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:53.000 Which I think people are excited about. 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:58.000 Um… I will not be there in person, but I will be there remotely. 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:02.000 And… we have to… 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:04.000 come up with any, um… 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:08.000 presentations or sessions that we want to have. 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:13.000 Whether those are just meetings or actual presentations, 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:19.000 We will… I think we have until the 25th of March to submit those. 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:24.000 So, this is a brainstorming session about that. 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:28.000 I also brought over into our agenda our… 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:30.000 things that we… 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.000 talked about at our post-conference meeting last year. 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:37.000 About things, feedback that folks had, 00:15:37.000 --> 00:15:38.000 about improving the experience. 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:40.000 for each other. Um… 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:49.000 One of the takeaways from that meeting that people were disappointed with is that, depending on where our sessions land in the program, 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:52.000 People didn't know who their people were. 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:58.000 Until, like, later in the conference, like, later, when the first resource access event happened. 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:05.000 And that it… there were a couple of ideas about how we might address that. One is to… was to have 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:08.000 Ribbons that people could wear that designated their… 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:13.000 interest… special interest group, so that you could kind of look around and find people. Um… 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:16.000 Another idea was… 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:24.000 to have table tents during the first keynote, so when people show up at the very first thing, you could have… 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:26.000 Um, table tents with the… 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:30.000 what your area of interest is. 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:33.000 And another was to… 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:36.000 um… was to kind of… 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:43.000 let folks know that people would be gathering somewhere during one of the… one of the breaks. 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:48.000 So, these were… some of these are ideas that we can share with the program 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:52.000 planning committee that could be applied across all the SIGs, not just ours. 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:55.000 And if there's no interest in that, then… 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:57.000 We could potentially do… 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:02.000 Um, even the table tent with the SIG at the keynote, somebody could just do. 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:10.000 Like, and we could just tell folks that we're gonna do it. So some of these, even if we don't get buy-in from the whole… 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:12.000 Um, group, we could at least 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:17.000 do… there are some things I think we could do on our own, just to help each other find 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:21.000 each other, if that makes sense. 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:25.000 Um, so what thoughts… 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:28.000 Any thoughts about any of that, or ideas about topics? 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:57.000 that folks want to talk about. 00:17:57.000 --> 00:18:06.000 I know it seems like a long way away away. 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:10.000 Are there things that people would like to see, even if they're not? 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:33.000 the one that would be presenting, necessarily. 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:53.000 At OneWealthCon, we had, like, show and tell, where several people shared their folio settings, and… It was more like go around and chat with people, but this is hard to do for remote participants, but it was a really successful. 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:56.000 When was that? 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:57.000 In… 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:01.000 22, I think. 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:05.000 And was it primarily about… 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:06.000 how people were configuring when they were… 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:09.000 implementing? 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:12.000 Or… 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:13.000 Yeah, okay. 00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:24.000 Yes. 00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:31.000 Tom, do you expect to have anything that you are going to want to do? I mean, I know it's 6 months away, it's hard to imagine, but… 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:35.000 Um, for fees and fines. 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:36.000 Not sure. Um… 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:37.000 Not sure. 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:41.000 Yeah, um, I have… 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:49.000 Uh, Lord Daniel suggested, and I have to get… I have to talk to her, so, um, we're talking about doing two different presentations already. 00:19:49.000 --> 00:20:00.000 One is possibly about the migration of our medical school into our current 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:01.000 Mm-hmm. 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:03.000 version of our current installation of Folio, because it's a little bit unique. Not that many people that we know of have done 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:09.000 an integration of a new library into an existing portfolio. 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:10.000 Nice. 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:14.000 Um, the other one we were looking at doing is around item statuses, is… 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:20.000 working with Crosstop to find the pain points and doing a presentation on that. 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:21.000 Right. 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:27.000 Um, so, yeah, I'm not sure. Um, and I also have to see if I can actually go. 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:28.000 Right. 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:35.000 Especially since all our gas prices just went up by what? How much? 50 cents over the last 3 days? 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:39.000 Who knows, that might last a minute, it might last 10 years. 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:41.000 Yeah, exactly. 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:46.000 Okay, that's… those sound good. 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:51.000 Um… I think the item status… 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:52.000 issue will definitely be, um… 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:59.000 something that's of interest to RA folks. 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:01.000 So, I might be getting 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:06.000 I misremembering, but wasn't there, like, some talk of changing how 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:12.000 The circulation rule table to make it more… 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:15.000 user-friendly. 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:16.000 Um… 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:19.000 I don't… I'm not sure… 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:26.000 But who is the product owner for that? But I thought… 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:33.000 Um, they were working on that, but maybe I have that wrong. 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:34.000 there's… 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:35.000 So I did throw out a few ideas, um, but, uh… 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:37.000 Oh, okay. 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:41.000 Circulation rules in the interface falls under, uh, Stephanie Bach. 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:48.000 Stephanie Buck, okay. 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:50.000 I know that there was, uh… 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:55.000 We have talked about it here, and there was a ticket 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:57.000 I mean, there was some suggestion of making it easier. 00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:01.000 Um, I think one of the things that… 00:22:01.000 --> 00:22:04.000 has gotten in the way is that the… 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:11.000 thinking about the bang for the buck that most of the people that had already slogged through it were like, okay, 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:17.000 It's basically set, so when you have it done, it's sort of like, how do you make it better for future folks? 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:22.000 But it's also a one-and-done sort of situation, where if people felt like… 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:25.000 There are things that we're using every day that 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:32.000 would have a higher level of impact, so I think it definitely, um, was not at the front burner for things that could get 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:34.000 updated. Um… 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:37.000 Although I definitely… 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:39.000 I think it's challenging to use. 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:40.000 Yeah. 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:46.000 And Tom did have some good ideas about how it could be improved. 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:47.000 Scott. 00:22:47.000 --> 00:23:05.000 Well, this may go a little bit off topic. One thing I thought would always be a big help is to actually be able to do like a test trace on a circulation rules. You select a patron, select an item, then you just say, okay, what loan rule would it pick using this? And it'll tell you which loan rule on the table matched on that. 00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:18.000 That make it easier for all the libraries. They have very big rule sets are ones they don't check very often, and it would help with some diagnosing things if you try to solve things pretty quickly. 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:20.000 I feel like… 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:26.000 we had a tool like that when we implemented. It was really old, I can't remember. 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:27.000 who… 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:33.000 Yeah, Aaron… I was gonna say, Aaron from Duke had, uh, I think it was a Python script, or something of that nature that she wrote. 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:39.000 That would go through and walk the rules, I think. Uh, but there's also, if you go back to, like, 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:43.000 dig way, way, way back in the YouTube archives. 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:46.000 There is some, um… 00:23:46.000 --> 00:24:00.000 initial UI mockups of what circulation rules should have, and there was something in there of that nature where you… I think you gave it a barcode, and it went through and told you what circulation rules would be applied, and what other ones were considered, or something of that nature. 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:04.000 And it's like, way, way, way, way, way, way back. 00:24:04.000 --> 00:24:06.000 Way before my years. 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:09.000 S. 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:22.000 Well, it's a shame it can't be updated. I can see a Python script being adapted, but something is a built-in tool for anybody at the Cirque desk or running rules to actually check, it would probably be a better approach. 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:25.000 Yeah. 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:28.000 Thanks, Robert. Can you tell us a little bit 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:30.000 More? What do you know about that? 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.000 The one that Kyle's working on. 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:36.000 I could look for… 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:38.000 For chat. Uh… 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:40.000 history on it, I think. 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:42.000 Um, he tends to… 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:48.000 to do things in kind of compact local scripts that you could use PowerShell for, that kind of thing. 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:52.000 Um, his kind of ethos tends to be 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:54.000 pro-sharing, so I don't know if he's got that. 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:57.000 already started in the, uh, you know, community. 00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:01.000 GitHub space or anything, but, um, I'll… 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:06.000 Maybe I'll post a summary if I can find some useful history of it. 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:11.000 Well, thank you. 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:14.000 All right. Other… 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:15.000 Yeah. 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:41.000 So… Yeah, so the question I'm asking myself is, um… Do we plan, like, uh, advanced, um… Um, yeah, advanced stuff for people that already are on Folio to present, or… Can we go a step back and maybe explain some basic stuff in depth for, uh… 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:59.000 Libraries that are new to Folio. Offer… offer something like an introduction workshop in. I don't know calendar. We had one year or title request, or whatever. 00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:01.000 Yeah, I'm curious about what the audience is that we're… 00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:06.000 I don't know. 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:08.000 you know, I don't know who the… 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:15.000 I don't know who the target audience is likely to be, you know what I mean? I'm not sure… 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:17.000 If folks who are… 00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:23.000 have been on folio for a few years are more likely to be there, or… 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:29.000 folks who are just coming on, or folks who are not even using Folio yet, because I feel like… 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:31.000 Last year, it was kind of a mix. 00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:38.000 Um, there were a lot of people that had just sort of come on, because Mobius had just come on, so there was a huge number. 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:40.000 of folks from Missouri. 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:43.000 Um, which made total sense. 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:45.000 But I'm not sure what's gonna make sense… 00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:49.000 across the pond, and who to anticipate. 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:55.000 Yeah, I was gonna say, I can tell you the workshops, one of the most popular ones, is the one that Tara led. 00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:59.000 which was basically a folio boot camp or training. That was a half-day one. 00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:11.000 Um, and as I said, we're looking for workshops, so if anyone would like to lead a workshop for half a day or a day on circulation rules and policies and how to set all that up, and how they interact, 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:14.000 Um, I actually think, uh… 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:18.000 A lot of people, even people that are currently running Folido, might be interested in that. 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:23.000 Um, I would do it, but I get to run around and do other things, so… 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:28.000 I was gonna say, and you also tend to overbook yourself. I'm just gonna say that. 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:34.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hence the reason why I said, like, oh, I have two other presentations, and um… 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:35.000 Exactly. 00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:39.000 I was just gonna look at those for right now, because I'm gonna get pulled into 20 other things. I know I am, so… 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:42.000 Right. 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:44.000 Um… 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:45.000 Yeah. 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:53.000 Oh, I like… I like Katie's suggestion. Yeah, an introduction to notices and step slips. Yeah. 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:54.000 Yeah, I think that… 00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:57.000 Yes, but this… this is not enough for a workshop. 00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:58.000 No, no, I don't think a workshop. 00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:01.000 But we could do this as a sick… as a sick presentation. 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:03.000 But it could be, yeah, it could be. 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.000 Um… 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:10.000 Haha, who would want to do such a thing? 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:13.000 I wonder… what do you think we could get… 00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:14.000 get… 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:18.000 I would be willing… I would be willing to join someone to prepare. 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:21.000 I was gonna say, I wonder if we can get Julie to come back. 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:23.000 Absolutely. I was gonna say, if… 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:25.000 So, uh, mainly because I need them. 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:33.000 Um, or we need them. If you are interested in doing a workshop, there's a 4-hour slot and a full-day slot. 00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:39.000 And I know last year there was a stipend that was given out to people who did teach them. 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:44.000 So, I mean, I honestly think you could spend easily 4 hours on going through the CERC rules and all the policies. 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:48.000 And that sort of thing, if you were interested in doing something on Monday. 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:52.000 I know, shameless plug, but I can't help myself. 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.000 It's fine! 00:28:55.000 --> 00:29:00.000 Well, I think that's a good idea, and I don't know if I would be able to go. 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:03.000 But I would be interested… 00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:07.000 working on it, um, with someone else, not by myself, since I've… 00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:14.000 But, you know, I'm kind of the person that does all the circulation rules for a consortium, because 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:20.000 you know, I made it so complicated that other people don't want to go in there. 00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:25.000 Um, so… but I think that's a good… I think it's one of the most confusing things. 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:28.000 Um, about… 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:30.000 you know, when you're being set up. 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:32.000 Uh, on how to… 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:37.000 go through that and make that, um, work for you, and… 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:44.000 And also for troubleshooting, like Scott said, you know, um, how to figure that out. 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:50.000 maybe have that as part of it as well. 00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:58.000 So, but I don't think I could do it on my own if someone else wanted to help and join me, just to make sure, you know, double check. 00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:00.000 that my, uh… everything I'm doing 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:04.000 saying and doing is correct, but… 00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:06.000 I think we… we do also have… 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:09.000 folks stepping into positions. 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:13.000 you know, what folio's been around long enough that someone new is stepping into that 00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:17.000 thing that someone else has created, and I think you would have people say, 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:36.000 Please help me understand what I'm seeing here, and from my perspective, working with new libraries, I do think there is often that question of what really is the best practice. And often, the answer is it depends on what you're looking for, you know, do you do patron groups and then material types, do you bother with loan types or not? Do you do things at a certain level of the location hierarchy? 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.000 Um, do you repeat… 00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:43.000 Um, you know, row by row with the plus saying this plus that, this plus that, so it's more, like, 00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:53.000 viewable, but less maybe elegant, or do you do a row with exceptions? So I do think we could at least talk through what some of the principles are and what some of the trade-offs would be. 00:30:53.000 --> 00:31:02.000 And when I say we, I mean people that will be at WolfCon, but… 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:14.000 So, I would be totally happy to do a workshop or a session with someone, either the circulation rules workshop or the notices session. 00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:22.000 Yeah, together with anyone who is willing, but you need to be in person for the workshops, I think. 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:27.000 Uh, yes, there… well, let me put it… there should be at least one person there. 00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:31.000 Um, so I, uh, last year for linked data, 00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:37.000 And I'm gonna… I'm gonna mute his name, and I really apologize for that, uh, Alvaro. 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:42.000 I believe that's his name. Um, he did have, um, a few people 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:46.000 from the national library of Sweden. 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:47.000 that did zoom in to help. 00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:54.000 with some of the co-teaching of that workshop. So, as long as there's one person there teaching, uh, helping, 00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:58.000 Uh, with the in-person part. Um, all the participants have to be in person, though. 00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:06.000 Uh, we don't allow virtual participants in the workshops, but… 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:22.000 And since I'm actually kind of the coordinator for it, I can also help make exceptions, so… 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.000 I'm muted. Um, I'm hearing… 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:29.000 interest in a circulation rules workshop as a possible 00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:32.000 thing that Cornelia would… 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:36.000 help with. Um, Katie, did you say you are also willing… 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:40.000 to help with the workshop aspect. 00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:41.000 For circulation rules? Okay. 00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:43.000 Yes. 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.000 Great. That's amazing. 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:47.000 Um… 00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:53.000 If… and those are… how long are those, Tom? They're half-day? 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:55.000 The workshops, I assume, I think you said 4 hours. 00:32:55.000 --> 00:33:03.000 Uh, yeah, there's, uh, two choices. There's a half-day workshop, which is usually, like, 9 to 12. 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:08.000 And then full day, which is the 9-12 session, and then, um, 1 to 4. 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:09.000 So, uh… 00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:10.000 Gotcha. I can't imagine it would take a whole day. 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:11.000 Um… 00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:21.000 It depends on how much you want to get in depth. I mean, if you're covering the circulation rules, plus also, like, fee fine policies, notice policies, and all that other stuff, 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:24.000 You might be able to fill an entire day session with it. 00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:27.000 Um, I… it's… it's a… it's not… 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.000 much, but it's complicated, so… 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:33.000 Right, right. 00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:40.000 Um… 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:41.000 Yeah… 00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:44.000 True, if you want to go in-depth with all, um… With all the H2 loss. Yeah. And people will need time to practice. 00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:45.000 Yeah. 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:46.000 Yeah, just going over fee fines will take half a day. 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:48.000 Could be a full day, yeah. 00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:49.000 Right. 00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:59.000 Yes. Yeah. Oh, Katie, let's prepare something, and whoever wants to join us. 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:03.000 Um… I would be… so I'm gonna be… 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:06.000 I mean, gonna be attending virtually, so I could be on… 00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:13.000 I don't know. I can help in whatever way I can help virtually, whether that's to be an extra… 00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:17.000 person to be, you know, 00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:22.000 giving… I imagine with something like this, there might be, you know, individual working time. 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:27.000 So if it would help to have somebody else that could be one-on-one helping 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:34.000 talking with someone, I could do that, or whatever. So, just let me know. 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:39.000 And then the notices and staff slip session probably could just be a session. 00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:42.000 Um, and… 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:47.000 I'd be happy to work on that with someone who's in person. 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:51.000 But I can ask, um… 00:34:51.000 --> 00:35:00.000 I could ask Julie if she is going to be around, or if she's… I know she's not doing PO anymore, but I'm curious if she'd be interested in… 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.000 having a session. 00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:06.000 Um… 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:10.000 Or if there's anyone else who's interested in 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.000 offering a session like that, I do think. 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:14.000 That is something that… 00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:16.000 folks. 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:23.000 either if you haven't implemented yet, or you implemented, but then you have, um… 00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:28.000 you know, you're interested in revamping your notices, or whatever, it could be useful. 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.000 thing to do. 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:33.000 Um… 00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:35.000 Do we want to have… 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.000 a general, um… 00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:42.000 Um, RA-SIG session, or a placeholder. 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.000 That we just put in so that we have 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:49.000 a time and space allotted. 00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:56.000 I have to say, I'm ambivalent about it, because it is hard to hold, like, a business meeting in a hybrid. 00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:58.000 environment. However, 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:03.000 If we want to have a space, 00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:09.000 a lot can happen between now and then, so having a designated time and space is 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:16.000 I think is advisable. 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:25.000 Thoughts on that? 00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:32.000 I agree, that might be helpful, but would be… would be better to have a topic until then, too. 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:40.000 Just not do regular meeting, but, uh… Decide on a topic that can… can be discussed hybrid. 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:42.000 Right. 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:46.000 Like we did years before. 00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:51.000 Um, well, I can put in a general request for… 00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:53.000 slot, and then… 00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:55.000 Um… 00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:58.000 when it gets closer, we can come up with, uh, 00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:01.000 a topic that… 00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:07.000 Um, or anything that arises that we think would be better to have in a more… 00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:10.000 Um, in-person environment. 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:16.000 or hybrid environment. 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.000 Well, if others… 00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:21.000 come up with, um… 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:23.000 ideas. 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:28.000 for what they would like to either present on. I will also send this out 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:31.000 Um, on Slack. 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:41.000 So that folks can weigh in on either things they would like to present on, or things that they would like to hear about. 00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:45.000 We will go from there. 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:49.000 Alright, thanks, everyone. 00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:53.000 Um… 00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:56.000 Cornelia, you had the next item about 00:37:56.000 --> 00:38:04.000 adding a service point discovery display name as a notice token. 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:22.000 Oh, yes. Um… Just for a short… Visualization. I… Share my screen. 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:48.000 So service points do have a folio name. And they do have a, um… Discovery display name, and… Um, usually what you see in WooFind in your patrons account, or when you request something, it's the discovery display name. But the for as a token for the… 00:38:48.000 --> 00:39:01.000 Uh, patron notice, like, for this is, uh, waiting for you, it's just the folio name. So you can have like two quite different names. 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:08.000 We're making available to patrons, and I haven't found a ticket to make a discovery display name. 00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:18.000 the notice token. And yeah. Are there any objections if I put Jira in? 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:26.000 Why didn't this bother anyone before? 00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:31.000 I don't know why it didn't bother anyone before, but, um… 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:36.000 It's funny that it… that… well, when you first said there's a Discovery Display Name, I was sort of thinking… 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:39.000 why would the service point 00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:45.000 ever display and discovery. It's really on the user account, right? Like, when you have a pickup, 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:51.000 When you select a pickup location, is that the only place that it would show in a public… 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:59.000 environment? 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:00.000 Yeah. 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:04.000 Yeah, it's like when you click on the request button, and then have to choose where to get it from, and then on your in your account, like your requested items. 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:07.000 would show, okay. 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:09.000 Interesting. 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:10.000 Um… 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:21.000 Yep, so yeah, it would be in my… yeah, exactly in that situation. That's where it shows up. Yeah, I agree. I mean, it makes… It makes sense. We should always, whenever there's a discovery display name, I think that should be. 00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:26.000 possible as a as a token. 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:35.000 Yeah, I don't have any objections to writing that out. 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:42.000 This reminds me of I was just I was just reminded recently that you can't write circulation rules. 00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:47.000 by service point, which is unfortunate. 00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:48.000 Yeah, I'd love to have this relationship. 00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:57.000 I had a brilliant… I had a brilliant… 00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:04.000 I'd love to do other things in the circulation rules, like service points, but also bring in custom fields for… 00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:08.000 the user records and other pieces of data. 00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:14.000 to actually have it almost like more of a query language than the way it is now, but… 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:15.000 needs to be more flexible. 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:20.000 And more usable, my mere mortals. 00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:28.000 Yeah, one of the ideas I had was using a was drop-down menus, almost, um, similar to what they did with the, um, 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.000 data export for… 00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:34.000 The Bursa transfer, um… 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:48.000 But a little bit more simpler. 00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:57.000 Oh, thank you, Robert, for putting that in the chat. 00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:01.000 That's good. 00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:06.000 Maybe that's something you can use, Scott, for the… 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:10.000 Checking of certain rules. 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:11.000 Awesome. 00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:15.000 Sure, I can take a look at it. 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:17.000 Alright, um… 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:23.000 Let's see, it's 1136. Do we want to take a stab at the… 00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:25.000 description or not. 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:31.000 I'm ambivalent. I did let, uh, Gemini take a crack at it. 00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:33.000 It's a little bit, uh… 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:37.000 It sounds like it was written by AI, so… 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:41.000 Um, I did take our original description, 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.000 And, um… 00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:48.000 and put in the discussion that we had, or, like, the 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:54.000 Um, the takeaways of what we said we wanted it to do better. 00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:58.000 Um, it's a little fluffy, so I'm… 00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:04.000 torn about what is the best way forward, whether we should… I don't really want to… 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.000 group edit in a… 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:12.000 meeting setting, but I'm curious what folks think about… 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:15.000 Um… 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:20.000 having… either creating a Google Doc and inviting folks to weigh in on it, 00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:25.000 Um, or what's… what is the best… 00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:28.000 approach to… 00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:31.000 rewriting our description. Do people have… 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:34.000 thoughts about… 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:39.000 preferred approach. 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:44.000 I don't love the group editing in a committee meeting, sort of. 00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:49.000 I find it very painful. But… or we could just have a couple people 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:56.000 look at it on the side. That's the other thing, is assigning a subcommittee is always another option. 00:43:56.000 --> 00:44:16.000 I'm curious what people… how people would like to approach that. 00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:25.000 I know it's not rising to the top of anyone's to-do list. 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.000 Alright. I guess I will… 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:29.000 make a… 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:34.000 document and send it out in advance of our next… 00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:39.000 meeting, so… well, I'll do it soon, so that folks have time to look at it. 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:44.000 and make comments on it. I'll do it on a Google Doc so everyone can add their comments or thoughts. 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:49.000 And then we can talk about it at next week's meeting? Does that sound like a… 00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:50.000 Reasonable approach. 00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:58.000 Yeah. 00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:00.000 Okay. 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:01.000 Thank you. Um… 00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:03.000 Sure, it does. 00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:09.000 Alright, anything else anyone wants to share? 00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:17.000 Oh, I think I forgot to say this before… I wanted to remind folks that we are using AI for, um, 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:20.000 minutes of the meetings. 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:26.000 So, I think we've caught up on all the older meetings. I went back and did a bunch of them. 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:33.000 Um, we can either use the Zoom AI, which if we turn on the Zoom AI, 00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:35.000 it generates, uh… 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:37.000 a synopsis of our meeting. 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:41.000 Um, which Peter Murray sends to us. 00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:46.000 the conclusion of the meeting. And then I go through and clean it up and make sure it doesn't… 00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:49.000 get something mortally wrong. 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:51.000 Um, the other… 00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:53.000 way that it… 00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:57.000 can happen if we don't turn on the Zoom AI, is that 00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.000 Um, I can download the… 00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:03.000 transcript and the chat transcript. 00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:06.000 And put them through Gemini, 00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:11.000 at Amherst College, which is an institutional account, so it doesn't go back to train the model. 00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:17.000 Um, it's just held internally, and then I clean those up. So those are the two methods. 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:19.000 that AI Minutes 00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:23.000 could be generated, just so folks know. 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:30.000 Um, and I do have a caveat at the top that they are AI-generated, so that folks know that… 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:32.000 Might not be exactly precise. 00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:39.000 But it's still better than asking for a minute taker, which some of you may know is, like, 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:45.000 Pulling teeth. Nobody wants to be the minute taker, even if we rotate it, so… 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:48.000 It's better than no minutes. 00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:54.000 It's sort of how I was thinking, and that way, you can… if you get a general idea of what 00:46:54.000 --> 00:47:02.000 what was discussed in each, and the decisions, then at least you could go back and watch the recording if you wanted to get more detail. 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.000 Yeah, David. 00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:11.000 I was just gonna say, yeah, personal experience. They're… they're fine. I would say they do definitely still require. 00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:19.000 a note taker, or not a note cleaner upper, as you pointed out, Susan, you've got to go through and like, you know, correct. 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:25.000 You know, either obvious… Sometimes there's just a little bit of a hallucination. 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:40.000 Um, often it's more just, like, a mishearing, like, I think in a recent one, we were talking about Aon, the Atlas Systems Special Collections module, and it was saying AI. 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:51.000 like they were talking about integrations with AI, and I didn't know what was happening, because I had missed that meeting, and they said, Oh, no, no, no, we were talking about Aon. 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:56.000 Yeah, and I did go back and do some older ones, and it was a lot harder. 00:47:56.000 --> 00:48:03.000 doing them from December. I was like, what did we talk about? So my plan going forward is to grab them, 00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:08.000 We just got Gemini institutionally, and I did not want to be putting it up just 00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:12.000 out into the ether, so I waited until we had… 00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.000 Gemini here at Amherst, and now… 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.000 Now we do, so… 00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:20.000 Um, at least there's that. 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:23.000 piece that makes it a little bit easier. 00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:26.000 Um… 00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:29.000 So, any other… 00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:32.000 Questions, thoughts? 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:36.000 And at any point, if anybody doesn't want the AI to be doing it, they can… 00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:38.000 volunteer to do minutes. 00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:46.000 And that's fine. But we do want to definitely, if folks want to opt out, that we do have that at the top of our… 00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:50.000 Um, out of our agenda, so that… 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:53.000 folks are aware. 00:48:53.000 --> 00:49:02.000 All right, anything else before we break? 00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:07.000 Okay, thank you, everyone. Um… 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:14.000 And we will see some of you on Thursday to talk about fees and fines. 00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:15.000 Thanks, everybody. 00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.000 Yeah. 00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:21.000 Bye.